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Female prison worker had closet sex with killer "4 times a week" - no one calling her a rapist, for she was wooed by the inmates

patcomen

June 24, 2015
93 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://nypost.com/2015/06/24/shawskank-had-closet-sex-with-killer-4-times-a-week-ex-inmate/
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Title Female prison worker had closet sex with killer "4 times a week" - no one calling her a rapist, for she was wooed by the inmates
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patcomen

Upvotes 93
Comments 16
Date June 24, 2015 8:13 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3axiqd/female_prison_worker_had_closet_sex_with_killer_4/
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Comments

[+][deleted] 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

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[–]RockFourFour 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

NY is supposed to be one of those states. It's a specific crime listed in the Penal Law.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It's disingenuous to say the law is never applied equitably. Here's a case where two female guards were arrested for having sex with male inmates https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2015/jan/12/new-york-two-female-guards-impregnated-prisoners-then-charged-rape-and-arrested/

I'm sure female guards get a pass more than men, but let's not pretend that they are always given a free pass

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

How is this relevant? The fact there's some judges out there we can applaud for truly being neutral arbiters of justice doesn't somehow excuse those that clearly are not.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say it does. I just don't like using false dichotomies. Feminists use them all the time and we should be better than them.

Also, the problem is more to do with sexist prosecutors than judges. They both play a role, but prosecutors usually refuse to charge women predators, so they are the place we should start

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There's gender bias that benefits women at pretty much every stage of the CJS, so you can't really put it down to one stage of the process vs. the other.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not just saying it's one stage. I'm saying it needs to be addressed at every stage. Putting pressure on judges to be more fair wint change anything if prosecutors are given a free pass. Pressuring prosecutors is more important because they have full discretion. Judges are at least bound to uphold the law in the books even if they are biased at sentencing

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you and I are basically agreeing, just nattering on nits.

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow. Ok I did not know that.

[–]mjociv 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm guessing she was never charged because that law only applies to guards and she wasn't a guard?

[–]Ultramegasaurus 18 points19 points20 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't consider her a rapist either. Just a skank with horrible taste in men.

[–]xNOM 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree. I could have been, but from this account, it sounds like he was basically just fucking the boss to get ahead.

Joyce made Sweat her head tailor, which put him behind a desk instead of a sewing machine. She often appeared giddy with excitement when they interacted, Jensen said.

“The way I can describe it is in high school, when one of the good-looking jocks looks at the ugly girl or asks her to the prom — that look on her face. She was ecstatic,” Jensen said.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But consider this: say after a few times he wanted to cut it off. Could he? I mean, you know that some people (including women) get very... unstable when they are dumped. Even if she specifically wouldn't have - he could fear her retaliating if he broke it off.

And in prison, with her being a prison guard... she has a LOT of power to negatively affect his life, health, freedom, even sanity. And he knows it.

So say he wants to cut it off at some point. Can he? From that point on, the sex really isn't consensual.

Now, maybe he never actually wanted to break it off and all sex was consensual - this could be the case. We don't know. For that matter - it's possible that he has "contacts on the outside" and she was the one fearing to break it off. We can't know either way.

Still - she is in such a position of institutional power over him, we can't just let these things slide.

[–]Kite23 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Feel sorry for the husband their son who came on TV and defended her at first

[–]brontide 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Her felony actions allowed and abetted the escape of two prisoners at the cost of millions of dollars to the taxpayer ( so far ). Will the state be seeking to recoup those costs?

EDIT:

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/news/local/new-york/2015/06/22/prison-search-continues-costs-climb/29130829/

Estimated costs up to $1m/day since the search area is so large and involves so many police officers.

[–]patcomen[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The BOJ page on the 2003 Rape Elimination Act offers lots of data about sex between prisoners and sex between guard/staff-prisoners.

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