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DavidByron2 · 2015-05-25T16:23:21+00:00

is "Moderate Feminism" considered a political movement

It doesn't exist. It's like saying "moderate Nazi". Sure like Nazis in the 1940s you can find feminists who are more or less ashamed of the shit their movement gets up to, but they support it anyway.

we both agreed that was seriously very scary

She's still a feminist though, right? She still supports feminism and it's lobbying for more hate laws. She was just ashamed to agree with the other feminists on the issues you brought up.

My friend, on the other hand, kind of leans towards getting rid of abuse against women, and wanting them to have equal rights

That's bullshit. Women are privileged over men. They have more rights than men. They are abused far less and protected far more than men. When she says she wants even more privileges for women she's telling the truth. When she says she wants equality she's lying.

do any of you have suggestions where to start with this stuff?

Read "Myth of Male Power" by Warren Farrell.

herpbot · 2015-05-25T11:00:46+00:00

Moderate feminism doesn't exist. Moderate feminism is a term that means, "people who support radical feminism without really bothering to learn the details or think about all its implications." You could add to that, "they support it because they can feel the tangible benefits and privileges radical feminism wins for them, but they don't have the political energy to be involved in the grass-roots."

Think of it like this: there are people who are members of the Republican party, and there are people who just vote Republican or support them. The radical feminists are the party; the moderate feminists are the voters.

2015-05-29T09:19:34+00:00

The feminist movement is a multi-headed hydra, it doesn't matter if one of the seven heads is good because the mainstream driving force of the movement is so incredibly tainted that any form of purification short of destroying it completely is impossible.

Hungerwolf · 2015-05-25T11:12:55+00:00

Feminism is definied by its core ideological beliefs- Patriarchy being the root of all feminist ideology. Culture and privilege hypotheses have taken hold recently. If you dont believe in patriarchy, you are not a feminist.

MRSPArchiver · 2015-05-25T10:45:47+00:00

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Sapphireonice · 2015-05-25T11:42:58+00:00

I''m going to be quite ranty, so bear with me :(

The thing with ideologies and beliefs in general is that they're often quite malleable. As a result, they can easily become distorted over time; we need only see the numerous cults that sprang from Christianity, the religious extremists that sprang from Islam and so on so forth. What's happening is that feminism's ideal(of equal rights between the sexes) is being distorted by people who join the movement seeking to do two things: attempt to correct their inferiority complexes by striking down others, and establish a sense of identity with like-minded people. This results in a circlejerk where a few strong-opinioned people establish a few core creeds which everyone else agrees to for fear of being cast off, while no one understands what's actually going on.

Essentially, in its current form self-described feminists are usually just looking out for themselves, and often actually care little about the issues they shout about. In my personal experience, I've found these feminists to be the most 'fair-weather' charity helpers of all; they come when they feel like it, and leave as soon as things go slightly wrong or they get slightly offended.

Modern modest feminists do exist, but they're small in number, at least in appearance. It's quite hard to shake yourself off of the radicals, from what I've seen, as they've managed to entrench themselves so much as actual feminists that their distorted version of feminism is what's accepted as truth. As for what modest feminists are, you're probably right when you say that it's meant to achieve equality between the sexes, which is an honourable goal in and of itself.

As for reading? There are some very nice links in the sidebar, especially in the interesting discussions section, and the blogs are good as well. I personally like this article, not for the article itself but for the argument between the article and the commenter. The most important thing, however, is to keep your mind open and simultaneously be critical of everything you see. Especially for works that support your beliefs, question and debate.

While I've been a bit off-topic and am overly verbose, I hope this helps.

DevilishRogue · 2015-05-25T12:05:48+00:00

'Moderate' feminists tend to believe that women experience greater rights abuses and have fewer privileges than men but want there to be greater equality between the sexes and so concentrate their efforts on alleviating examples of female rights abuses and lack of privilege as a means to achieve it. They are without exception unaware of the extent of male rights abuses or lack of privileges and often either dismissive or angered when confronted with facts that challenge the belief system they have.

Egalitarians, men's rights activists and equity feminists tend to believe that men experience greater rights abuses and have fewer privileges than women and want there to be greater equality between the sexes and so concentrate their efforts on alleviating examples of male rights abuses or lack of privilege as a means to achieve it. MRA's tend to concentrate exclusively on men's rights whereas egalitarians and equity feminists tend to concentrate on both men's and women's rights.

Title	I'm new to this subreddit, but I wanted to bring up a topic and share a story.
Author	herpbot
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Date	May 25, 2015 10:45 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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