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Feminist rape culture: UK police force admits that it doesn't prosecute women who make false rape allegations ....

ballenmra

May 17, 2015
273 upvotes
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http://www.inside-man.co.uk/2015/05/17/manchester-police-admit-they-dont-prosecute-women-who-make-false-rape-allegations/
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Title Feminist rape culture: UK police force admits that it doesn't prosecute women who make false rape allegations ....
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ballenmra

Upvotes 273
Comments 21
Date May 17, 2015 7:30 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/36ag7r/feminist_rape_culture_uk_police_force_admits_that/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/feminist-rape-culture-uk-police-force-admits-that.980031
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[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

<Officer: “We do get people making up allegations because they want to get their own back, for whatever reason. If A and B are courting and A has an affair with C, sometimes B will say that A has raped her … It’s not massively common but it isn’t uncommon either.”

So matter of factly. Why is it so hard to understand that people make-up stories to f*ck other people over? If calling rape a huge issue doesn't mean calling all men rapists, calling false-accusations an issue doesn't mean calling all women false-accusers either. So many women don't seem to understand that just because they wouldn't do something, doesn't mean someone else wouldn't be willing to. Damn it, I know I would never rape someone, but it's obvious there are men willing to rape people - people need to accept that women are capable of malice too.

[–]DavidByron2 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Article is about the Manchester police (there is no police force covering all of the UK).

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

From the guardian article

Now we always believe the victim in the first instance. Sometimes, when investigating, we can prove that the victim has lied or misunderstood or whatever. But we start off by believing them.”

[+][deleted] 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

because presumed guilt is dangerous when dealing with a crime as it leads to certain preconceptions about the perpetrator before any fact can be established

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

because rape comes with an identifying accusation, reporting a stolen car most likely does not. When you accuse someone of a rape or any crime that person needs to be considered innocent until proven guilty. if the police immediately believe the accusation then their constitutional rights are being violated. Presumptive innocence is a right.

[–]autotldr 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 86%. (I'm a bot)


While a victim-focussed approach which recognises that men and boys are victims of rape too is laudable, taking a soft approach on women who make false allegations of rape sends a very strong message that the law takes a softer line on female perpetrators and a harder line on male victims.

Making a false allegation is not jut a crime against the police, it is also a crime against men and boys who are uniquely vulnerable to the impact of false allegations, which in extreme cases can lead to suicide and murder.

How about being tough on rape and tough of false allegations of rape?


Extended Summary | FAQ | Theory | Feedback | Top five keywords: rape#1 allegation#2 false#3 men#4 GMP#5

Post found in /r/news, /r/MensRights, /r/manchester and /r/ukpolitics.

[–]ZimbaZumba 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This story exposes a lot about the culture that has developed in the CP and police in this area, and the UK in general. Clearly promotion is dependent on being inline with the ideological dogma. A policy of fixed-penalty fines for false rape accusations is obscene. The fact they feel they can talk openly in this manner is a testament to how bad things have become.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Step 1: never prosecute false accusers.

Step 2: use the lack of prosecuted false accusers to claim that this crime never happens.

Step 3: use 2 to continue justifying 1.

[–]caius_iulius_caesar 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As a criminal lawyer I did rape cases.

Many of the complainants were telling the the truth about the fact of the main incident (there are usually several incidents) - i.e. that there was a rape - , but I can't remember one case where a complainant told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Sometimes details of the incident and surrounding events were fabricated. Equally often, other alleged incidents of rape were fabricated to prejudice the accused.

[+]Wargame4life -15 points-14 points-13 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

ITT: morons who don't understand the difference between Manchester police force and the entire uk. (Scotland has its own entire set of separate laws)

also false allegations are not a criminal offence they rightly point out that they charge for wasting police time etc (which is an offense) and the nothing stops you pursuing a civil suite, since its under a civil lawsuit not criminal.

FYI pretending to be a murderer and claiming you killed someone is the same offence etc.

this is a non issue

[–]ZimbaZumba 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"Perverting the course of justice" and "perjury" are however considered serious crimes, commonly coming with a jail sentence. Your commentary is absurd.

[–]Wargame4life -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Perjury only exists in a court room you idiot (lying to the court) , and perverting the course of justice is used in those that hide criminality or allow other who are later convicted or proven to have done a crime.

you know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about, if someone kills someone and you gave a false alibi that they couldn't have because they were with you that is "Perverting the cause of justice",

[–]ZimbaZumba 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Stop pretending you know about the law. Saying things emphatically does not add to the weight of a point.

Read paragraph 3 HERE

[–]Wargame4life -4 points-3 points-2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

technically you can get a prosecution for perverting the course of justice for having/using a number plate hider on a motorbike, and technically anyone can be prosecuted for anything similar, it doesnt change the fact that perverting the course of justice is only something the police tend to do subject to substantial legal proceedings.

purjery is the crime of lying to the court, there is no "Grey area" there, perverting the course of justice technically can mean almost anything but is reserved for those that do it in major events that where their perversion causes significant problems such as Maxine carr

[–]ZimbaZumba 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I am guessing you did not read my link, and are now simply waffling. Perjury btw refers to lying under oath, such as with a sworn statement. Presence in court is not required. So stop bullshitting and saying things with utter confidence, it is the type of crap I expect in an argument in a bar.

So to repeat for your benefit. "Perverting the course of justice" and "perjury" are serous offense usually involving jail time. Proven False accusers are commonly prosecuted under these provisions. But apparently not in this jurisdiction.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

also false allegations are not a criminal offence they rightly point out that they charge for wasting police time etc (which is an offense) and the nothing stops you pursuing a civil suite, since its under a civil lawsuit not criminal.

Why should the victim have to pursue a civil suit to get justice?

[–]Wargame4life -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

that's like asking why does civil court exist at all?

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

that's like asking why does civil court exist at all?

No?

Civil courts exist for a good reason.

But punishing criminal acts isn't it.

Otherwise we could just say that we aren't trying any case in criminal court and if people feel they've been wronged they can bring a case against the accused.

[–]Wargame4life -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Civil courts exist for a good reason.

and

Why should the victim have to pursue a civil suit to get justice?

grow a brain please

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because those are two different things? They have a purpose, trying criminal cases isn't it (hint: it's in the name, "civil" court).

For instance: if you were to claim that you are going to use a hammer to saw through some wood I would say something like "while hammers are useful tools they aren't useful in that scenario. I think what you want is a saw. But you could use the hammer later to nail that piece of wood to another piece of wood".

And you'd come back with "OMG YOU JUST SAID HAMMERS ARE USELESS NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME TO USE A HAMMER! GROW A BRAIN IDIOT! LOLOLOLOLOL

That's because you're an idiot and/or troll.

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