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Blogger mocks politician for saying it's harder to get a vasectomy than an abortion. Can you imagine the outcry if a woman had to get her husband's permission to get an abortion?

porkchop_d_clown

April 9, 2015
58 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/gop-tennessee-vasectomy-abortion
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Title Blogger mocks politician for saying it's harder to get a vasectomy than an abortion. Can you imagine the outcry if a woman had to get her husband's permission to get an abortion?
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porkchop_d_clown

Upvotes 58
Comments 33
Date April 9, 2015 6:15 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/320xe2/blogger_mocks_politician_for_saying_its_harder_to/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/blogger-mocks-politician-for-saying-its-harder-to.983532
https://theredarchive.com/post/983532
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Comments

[–]StrangeBedfellows 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Wait, I have to get my wife's permission to get a vasectomy?

[–]Il128 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

http://www.babble.com/babble-voices/husband-want-a-vasectomy-hell-have-to-get-your-permission/

[–]StrangeBedfellows 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

DISNEY hosted this?

[–]its-me-again 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Read the article. It is about one couples experience, they were told at the clinic it was "a law" about needing spouse's permission, but the wife looked in to it and found out there is no such law. Women have reported this same experience when trying to get tubal ligation surgery. If anyone runs in to these rare doctors who request spousal permission, for vasectomy or tubal ligation just find another doctor.

[–]porkchop_d_clown 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not legally required but apparently many doctors require it before they will do the operation.

[–]Il128 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In some states, yes, you do.

[–]its-me-again -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This "wifes permission" thing has been debunked so many times before. There is no law. I you still beleive there is, please provide a citation.

[–]PM_ME_UR_PLANTS 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One of the many reasons men's rights recommends against marriage.

[–]its-me-again -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No you dont.

[–]SporkTornado 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Obama care in america requires healthcare insurers to cover the cost of every single type of female birth control that exists, with the sole exception of abortion. Insurers are not required to provide men with any form of birth control at all. Not even vasectomies. They are required to pay for tubal ligation, which is the female equivalent of a vasectomy. It is notable that vasectomy is less expensive than a tubal ligation.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

which is the female equivalent of a vasectomy

No, a much much more complicated version of a vasectomy. By not covering vasectomies, the government pushes couples to choose tubal ligation instead, making the contraceptive mandate a perfect example of what I call "how feminism hurts women".

[–]chafedinksmut 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit, this is a REALLY good point...nice.

[–]CPH62x2 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you know of any specific reasons vasectomies were not covered? I live in Ontario and vasectomies are freely available and covered by our provincial health care- it seems really strange that a much less complicated and costly procedure is not covered. Not asking for much social discourse, just wondering if there are any specific sources you know of that cover their decision making process.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The law is designed not to provide contraceptives but to remove the cost of contraceptives from women and women only. It is intended to improve the economic situation of women compared to men.

That is why the law doesn't cover condoms even though nearly 50 % of women use condoms as their primary birth control method. (if they covered condoms guys would get if for free too, lessening the economic gains of women)

[–]CPH62x2 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So the assumption is that men should cover the costs by themselves, yes? On the grounds that they have the means etc. If the availability of coverage extends to women for permanent sterilization, it should definitely extend to men.

Although my own understanding is that doctors here frequently refuse younger women or women without children from choosing tubal ligation, but that is just from a few women I know personally.

I am iffy on covering condoms, only because they are so freely available at health clinics/in schools. If you really need free condoms, there are many places to obtain them through already-funded govt programs like Planned Parenthood, where afaik condoms are bought and paid for free distribution by municipal govts. (Keep in mind this is my Canadian experience, it may be different in the states)

[–]SporkTornado 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

government pushes couples to choose tubal ligation instead

Exactly, tubal ligation carries a much higher risk of failure/complications than a vasectomy. I have heard of some push outside the MRA for obamacare to cover vasectomy. But not on the basis that access to birth control is a human right. But rather on the basis that not covering vasectomies hurts women, by encouraging them to get tubal ligation. Which puts them at a higher risk of suffering a complication. Because tubal ligation carries much higher risks than vasectomies.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

The article was cringe worthy for a couple of reasons:

1) The female lawmaker complains about the law that would add a two day wait period to abortions: "Why don’t we put these same standards on a man who wants to have a vasectomy?"

Meanwhile the State of Tennessee has a 30 day wait period for any procedure that involves permanent sterilization including vasectomies. /facepalm

2) Adding a 2 day wait period for abortions is a bad idea because unlike sterilization, in abortions time is of the essence.

[–]DavidByron2 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah with abortions you are under the gun for time unless you're one of a small minority that have no issue with very late abortions. Still 2 days isn't much but then again.... do a lot of people who have abortions come to regret the decision? At any rate these questions all have answers that could be determined. The commentators at TPM just seemed content with man hating, partisan politics and ideology. Facts? Not a concern.

[–]elokr 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I had a doctor that wanted my parents permission... I was 26 and under my own insurance. It took me 5 years, 7 doctors, and an eventual trip to another state to get my vasectomy.

My insurance did cover it 100%.

[–]CPH62x2 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Can I get a source of which states require the permission of the wife to get a vasectomy? A quick Google search tells me there is no such law, but that specific clinics have policies which may ask those kind of questions.

[–]porkchop_d_clown 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As I said above, this is not a legal requirement, it's something doctors do on their own.

http://www.babble.com/babble-voices/husband-want-a-vasectomy-hell-have-to-get-your-permission/

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Just like doctors do not have to perform abortions, doctors also do not have to perform vasectomies. OP is trying to turn this into something more serious than it is.

My doctor asked me about my family ("do you have children?" "yes, two" / "does your wife know you're doing this?" "yes, she does"), I didn't have to get a paper with my wife's signature or anything like that.

[–]porkchop_d_clown 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

and what if you had told him that she didn't know you were getting it done?

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Who knows. Worse case, I'd find another doctor.

[–]porkchop_d_clown 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So, you do realize you confirmed that what I said was true, don't you? Even though you claim I am "trying to turn this into something more serious than it is"...?

Honestly, I'm not even sure what that statement is supposed to mean.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What you posted might be true but even if it is, it isn't a shocking revelation. Doctors do not have to treat you. Vast, vast majority of doctors in the US do not perform abortions, with or without the husband's permission. They don't even entertain the idea. "Will you perform an abortion?" "No, GTFO." But, I have a paper signed by my husband!" "Don't care, GTFO!"

Any doctor can define his/her rules on whether or not he/she will perform a procedure. That said, there are many thousands of men across the US who have access to vasectomies with zero to no hassle.

There really isn't anything to be upset about here. If it indeed becomes a widespread problem, we'll hear about it from a better source than a 4 year old blog post with no links and sources.

[–]CPH62x2 -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, that is the impression I got from OP as well hence why I asked for sources on the matter. I've always been under the impression that any birth-control measures, preventative or otherwise, are under scrutiny by the doctor's own beliefs. This isn't great in my opinion, but it's not something limited to vasectomies. Thanks for the clarification, glad I'm not the only one who thinks it's being blown a bit out of proportion.

[–]porkchop_d_clown 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

any birth-control measures, preventative or otherwise, are under scrutiny by the doctor's own beliefs.

You have examples of doctor's demanding a husband's approval before providing an abortion?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, any urologist will perform a vasectomy. There are thousands of them, one will have crazy morals and require your wife to consent using her blood, others will not give a shit either way and do the procedure without question.

Only a tiny, tiny fraction of doctors perform abortions. And those who do perform abortions face protestors, death threats, etc. They have no moral objection to abortions, if they did, they wouldn't be abortion doctors. Since they do not object to abortions, they don't ask consent anyone but the patient.

Here is an article about an abortion doctor who kicked out his patient after they pissed him off:

They hate all abortion except for their special case. One even said they should all be killed. Only fourteen, she came with her mother. What brings you here? he asked. I have to have an abortion. Why? I'm not old enough to have a baby. But you told the counselor we should all be killed? Yes, you should all be killed. Why? Because you do abortions. Me too? Yes, you should be killed too. Do you want me killed before or after I do your abortion? Before.

He told her to leave. Her mother was very upset. But he isn't an abortion-dispensing machine. He's a physician. He's a person.

[–]chafedinksmut 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Where I live, if you're married, you must get your wife's permission to have a vasectomy, it's LAW. Now, I'd like you to guess whether the reverse is true of ligations or abortions...

[–]porkchop_d_clown 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Citation?

[–]PM_ME_UR_PLANTS 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Apparently individual doctors' offices try to strong arm consent forms from fear of litigation, but no laws exist forcing spousal consent in the US or UK. The source from the UK says litigation is a big concern, but it doesn't specify the type of case.

http://www.ehow.com/about_5847677_vasectomy-laws.html

http://goodmenproject.com/newsroom/are-men-legally-required-to-ask-their-spouses-permission-for-a-vasectomy/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1282203/

[–]chafedinksmut 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I had a vasectomy here, and no, I won't give away ANY personal information including any location data, thank you for understanding.

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