What's your long game?

FugitiveAlpha · 2014-02-25T04:54:49+00:00

I can certainly see why some guys break down and just get married 'cause they're tired of chasing pussy and "This one seems pretty good". I'm not there yet, but it does give me pause to at least consider where do I want to be, and perhaps more importantly who do I want to be with in 10, 20, 30 years. What's your long term projection?

When you get older, women aren't as commonly pretty as they used to be.

Then you switch to 20 somethings and you realize as soon as they open their mouths and start talking they annoy you. It's fun fucking them, but opportunities for 40+ year old guys fucking 22 year olds aren't as plentiful as advertised. I went back to college in my late 30s - and although there were some beautiful young girls there I couldn't help but notice their insanity. College girls are a mess of hormones and confusion.

My new wheel house became 28-32 with nice bodies - flying straight at the wall at 100 MPH. I wanted to share my time with women I actually consider to be adults - but holy shit are they in crisis mode at this age. Every causal date is a marriage interview. That's stressful plate spinning.

You look around and you realize most available women are basically damaged goods - nutty and desperate.

It's almost like you played the game so long and so hard - you blow out the fun fuse and shit starts to annoy you. The same old bullshit games.

I stopped smoking and drinking so I had no more use for bars. Being a bar fly at 25 is fun and innocent - at 40 it's embarrassing.

At least that's how I felt after my divorce when I started dating again.

I thought I'd relish the idea of being single and banging everything I could get my hands on. Meh... It wasn't the same like it was before I got married.

Funny thing is at 35-45 age range for a guy - if you're single and you have your shit together you are in high demand. So it wasn't like I was suffering droughts.

It didn't take me long to find one who actually had something to offer me instead of me being on the hook to carry all the weight.

My wife was like "Here's all the cool shit I can do for you..." (Hint... some of these things were crazy good sex).

I was like "Wow... Not bad."

Hmm... Try to chase 20 somethings for a cheap thrill of instant gratification... Or... Engage in mental chess with maniacally desperate 30 year old cock carousel riding career bitches.... Or... Get a wifey who makes a 6 figure salary and worships the ground I walk on - (and sucks my dick like she's poisoned and it has the antidote)?

Also really important... I have a new 5 year old son I absolutely love being with too.

If you want to pull my Certified TRP^TM Card. So be it. I feel no shame. Don't hate the player.

I guess there some gigolo in my alpha. We use the talents we've been blessed with.

emptyform · 2014-02-25T01:51:25+00:00

I'm 25. I want to have children, so I am basing my strategy on optimizing wife-finding. Yes, I know marriage is a horrible deal for men, but I don't want to have kids outside of it. I also have very high standards for who I'd marry. I don't expect a pure unicorn, but I won't settle for less than a near one that satisfies my needs and displays good potential as a mother. When I'm single, I'll spin 3 plates at a time to optimize personal pleasure/stress relief without sucking away too much of my free time, which I need to devote to my career(s). My bottom two plates will always be pure bang-material, while my top plate will be my unicorn-hunting slot. If I decide to enter an LTR with top plate, I'll use it to vet her as a wife candidate, if she fails enough of my tests then it's back to plate spinning. Even if I met her tonight, youngest I will get married is 30. I expect more around 35, but it will largely depend on my own financial stability. I'm much more interested in working on my career than finding "love", especially since I know that if I get my career far enough along, my chances of finding & locking down unicorns greatly, greatly increase.

deepthrill · 2014-02-25T05:06:59+00:00

My long game used to be the 2.5 kids white picket fence story society force-feeds us. Which is fine for some if they want that.

But the biggest epiphany for me was when I realize that I only wanted it because society said I should want it.

I was on a long meditation walk and thought about it, and realized that I wasn't really making choices in my life. If I never considered any alternative, then was I really making a decision?

So I continued thinking and walking, and started to consider alternatives. What if I moved in with one or two buddies of mine? If I wanted a house, I could have a house. What if I didn't have to spend thousands of dollars on a diamond ring? What if I didn't want to shell out $30k for a wedding? What if I didn't want to go through each holiday figuring out how to one-up my previous gift?

There was a seed of freedom in my mind, and once I had that seed of doubt, it grew. It became a slew of possibilities I never considered.

I went on the internet to find others with different mentalities about life, and eventually found /r/theredpill

Fast forward to now. I wanted a house with a single male buddy, and I got one. I wanted to spend money on things I want for myself, and I did it. I wanted to break free from a stable blue-pill (to me personally) career and take on more risk, and I did.

Now my long term goals are power and freedom, to ultimately lead me to more happiness (I already am happy enough to be comfortable if I died tomorrow).

Money is a very large means to an end to that. Money can buy both power and freedom, but it takes a lot of money and also a lot of discipline to accumulate it.

Fitness will help me be more attractive and also live longer.

I want power to achieve my goals efficiently. That includes having sex. Freedom to have sex with whomever I want with as many strings attached as I want. The power to have it when I want it.

I want long, stable, deep companionship which I cultivate through my (male and female) friendships. I want sex which I get by investing in myself (money, power, fitness, etc.) and learning about women here and through the manosphere.

Do I want kids? I'm not sure. I've been browsing /r/childfree a lot and it really speaks to my newly desired freedom and power. I want a legacy, but I feel I can build that through my career. The only reason I see myself wanting a wife is for a child, or if some unicorn prances in front of me and lets me touch her sacred horn to see if it's real (/s).

That may all change (the wanting to have kids part). But if it does, it will be because it's a choice I made, not because society said I should have kids.

One thing that does appeal to me about kids is that one of my goals is to experience as much of life as I can, and being a father is an experience I wonder if I am missing out on. For now, though, my goals are much more selfish than before, and I am happier than ever.

I see myself in 10,20,30 years with an empire, with great friendships, with plentiful sex, and with the freedom and power to explore the world and all of life. TLDR: Pretty much Tony Stark.

kzwrp · 2014-02-25T07:23:58+00:00

Can't seem to submit links to this sub, so I'll just leave this here.

http://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/1yuscb/so_for_the_last_month_ive_been_operating_okcupid/

So for the last month, I've been operating OKCupid accounts for a hot girl, a hot guy, an average girl, and an average guy. The experiences has been fascinating, I've written a report here. (self.self) submitted 4 hours ago* by ItslijeSth3 So for the last month, I've had 4 okcupid profiles, using the pictures of 4 different people. (Don't worry, all 4 people know and gave their consent and were paid, and knew the login and password info. I actually did some photoshop to change a view little details like eye color, etc.) Anyway, I've been doing an experiment to see how people react differently to people of different attractiveness. Needless to say, I got what I was looking for. I'm a 21 year old male and I've been studying the whole feminism vs MRA thing for a while, and I've decided to write a book on it from a 3rd person perspective. I thought I might be able to learn a lot from this, and learn a lot I did. The truth is..... ....good looking people really do exist in a different world. That's the bottom line. The difference is truly staggering. I was expecting to have a completely different experience, but I wasn't prepared for just how different it would be. I couldn't even keep up with the hot girl account. I still have over 100 unread messages. It was mostly as expected. It wasn't quite as bad as I thought. Even guys that were obviously just looking for sex at least pretended to care about having a conversation. There were the expected creepers, but luckily they were the minority. (FYI- messages like "ayee baby I love to break some off in dat" is NOT a good way to get a hot girls attention) Very few guys wouldn't respond to my message. Hot girl had the highest reply rate of all. Sometimes I'd send out this message: "Hi...I'll be honest, you're cute and I'm hooking for a hookup. Would you have any interest?" And it would work a lot. I'd say 85% of the guys who replied to that replied yes. However, there were a few surprises. Less guys than I thought went for the immediate hookup offer. I'd sometimes say something like: "well, lol in that case, why don't we meet up tonight? _" Now many times the guy did agree to this. Many guys agreed to casual sex after only a short conversation. But I surprised at how many guys were hesitant. Quite a few guys said something like: "well you're very pretty and all, but I really don't know you all that well." What surprised me is that some of these guys weren't conventionally attractive by any means. In their shoes, I must admit I would have agreed to hookup with the hotgirlaccount. Lol. Guys, I'm afraid to say it, but when girls say there are many guys who just seem to want sex, they ain't pulling no shoestring. I knew this before, but it's only know I really understand how little I must stand out to that hot girl I hit on. I'm probably the 20th guy that day, and definitely not the best looking/richest/coolest of them. Hot guy account was EXTREMELY depressing for me. Now that I know what it's like and how easy it is, oh my god what I wouldn't do to be attractive. Holy shit do hot guys get a lot of messages. Girls would message me out of the blue- I'd get 25 messages a day from girls whose profiles I didn't even view. I could see just how easy it was by comparing how an encounter/conversation might go for me, compared to hot guy. To many girls, it didn't seem to matter what I say. Sometimes I was intentionally boring or weird, but girls seemed to love it anyway. When girls say looks don't really matter as much as personality....eh, sorry ladies, I might have to call you out on that one. I sometimes sent the following message: "tbh, i think ur hot. id love to hookup" and I actually got a reasonably high (65%) of responses saying yes....and thats for girls 7 and over on the ten scale. Average guy would struggle to maintain a girls interest. He'd be funny, witty, cool, engaging....and still lose the girls interest. Hot guy would be none of those things, and yet girls acted as if he was the most amazingly interesting guy ever. Many of my first messages were exactly the same as average guy, or what I might say to a girl, but the responses were very, very different. Sometimes I actually DID say the same thing with each profile 3 weeks apart. Unsurprisingly, hot guy got responded to, average guy didn't. Both hot guy and girl had a better time in general with people. People would ask them if they wanted to hang out, sent random compliments that had nothing to do with sex or dating, and both of them even got a few job offers. Overall, I'd say being a hot guy is slightly better than being a hot girl. But it's awesome for both. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about average guy and average girl. The average guy experience was more or less what I'm used to. Girls usually don't reply, most of the girls who message you first arent conventionally attractive, and it always felt like a struggle to keep a girl interested. I got maybe 1 uninitiated message every 3 days. Of the messages I sent, discounting the people who said they weren't interested, I'd say about 1/10 girl replied. When I say people who replied saying they weren't interested, I mean people who responded with something like: "I'm sorry, but you're just not my type, I'm not interested." I didn't get a single positive reply from a girl over a 7, other than those who respectfully said they'd be happy to be friends, but wouldn't consider a relationship or hook up. It was slightly better for average girl. She got some positive replies from guys who are at least 7s, though nothing like hot girl. About 20% of guys responded, though the ratio was skewed towards guys who were themselves average. However, average girl was able to get guys who were 7s to agree to hookup. It seems that it's much easier for a 5 girl to hookup with a 7 guy that it is for a 5 guy to hook up with a 7 girl. Girls can move up much more easily than boys can. Overall, it seems that average girl has a much easier time than average guy. Here's the conclusion- looks matter. A lot, to both genders. As a guy, I'm used to girls telling me that women don't really like it when a guy brings up sex early in a conversation, and this is true....unless the guy is hot. sorry dudes, but most of the guys who say they wouldnt sleep with a hot girl if her personality was unpleasant are lying. lol point blank. ive deleted all the profiles, including mine, and am starting fresh with this new knowledge. it was very interesting to say the least. so there you have it! 55 commentssharesavehidereport

2014-02-25T14:17:29+00:00

0-3 years:

Get better at game and spin plates
Improve myself

3-8 years:

Go to university (yeah, I know) so I can become a licensed psychologist
Become good at running harems

8+ years

Run my own business
Select two women to become "sister wives", minus the marrige bit obviously
Breed sons

Nitzi · 2014-02-25T02:09:06+00:00

I want to stop this constant feeling of boredom. My personal crusade to find happiness.

HahahahaWaitWhat · 2014-02-25T04:51:04+00:00

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CptDefB · 2014-02-25T05:19:57+00:00

Short Term: Spin plates.

Long Term: Find the plate with the most food.

A little harem of ~3 at a time would be nice, but I figure the one thing I enjoy more than spending time with beautiful and charming women, is spending time by myself. I'll continue chasing tail, but I don't intend to play this game forever. Women are an accessory. It'd be nice to find one that was good enough to keep with the kind of chemistry that doesn't see us bored a lot.

I'm with /u/truedatness on the 1: Unicorn Slot, 2: Fucktoy, 3: Fucktoy hierarchy. Unicorn... ah, that word... 1: First Concubine, fixed.

RedSpectrum · 2014-02-25T05:31:09+00:00

In my early 20s. Want to apply and get accepted into dental school. I'll be finished in my late 20s. Start paying off student debt while saving up for my own practice or buy a practice from an existing practitioner or perhaps work under him or her.

Yes, I want a wife and kids, with a nice, white-fenced in house, with a dog or two would be nice. Because of TRP, I know how "life works" as opposed to before where I naively thought being a nice, doting person would get what I want.

I want to explore who I am, learn new things, explore the world before I settle down. I know with my occupation every woman I meet, have sex with, etc, will treat me as their potential provider, their stable ship in a rough storm. Every conversation will be treated like a damn marriage interview. Finding a "good" woman will be probably one of the hardest things I do in life. Finding an attractive woman in the healthcare field is just as hard as they are even more entitled than the average woman as they date up even higher.

Idk, have some fun in dental school, but I can already see myself wary of girls that want an LTR.

In the meantime, its just fitness all day everyday to keep me in shape while making all the connections and networking that I can.

2014-02-25T06:14:06+00:00

For me, I will probably try and bang as many young women as I can until around age 35. I'm 29 and already racked up a good number of notches, but I still feel like I haven't mastered the game or the art of maintaining dominance in a relationship. So the solution for me is to bone more women, spin more plates with less work or investment on my part. After doing that for the next five years or so, find a good woman to settle down with. I should have a strong enough frame by that time to keep her under control.

But then again, life never really works out how you plan it, so I just take life as it comes.

kzwrp · 2014-02-25T08:10:29+00:00

What's your long term projection?

I'm in the game for finding/creating the Unicorn I'd like to carry my firstborn son.

Until I've found her, I bang sluts.

2014-02-25T13:32:30+00:00

Early 20's. First, get financially independent. While learning game, as well as how to be the centre of a social circle. Amass power whereever possible. Use what I have to get what I want.

As for relationships, Im going to take what comes along. After I'm well established financially, I'm going to travel the world as an expat and fuck my way through different countries and spread my seed throughout the world. Though this may take several years for me to get to this point, and may get me killed.

j_arbuckle2012 · 2014-02-25T17:22:00+00:00

0-3 Years:

Improve Game
Join the military
Train for SFAS

3-5 years:

Graduate the Q course
Cut off all contact with family and friends who try to drag me down

5+ years:

Develop myself into the best SF asset I can possibly be for my country.
Travel the world, go on deployments, go to war.

I'm 24.

IllimitableMan · 2014-02-25T22:02:16+00:00

Self-actualise all of my partially developed and untapped potential to become the most powerful human being I can be. The limits on my personal handicap appear to have been set quite high.

2014-02-27T14:43:57+00:00

What's your long term projection?

I'm 25 now, and I just got into a PhD program, so for the next 5 years I'm going back to school to work on that. It's a fucking blessing that I discovered the red pill before this. All that pussy I could've had in undergrad... it's like God giving me a second chance!

As far as relationships go, I just don't see myself getting married in the current climate, and certainly not with an American woman. Unless I end up working somewhere abroad where the laws are different, it ain't happening. Naturally I want to have kid(s) one day (maybe around 35-40), so I'll have to figure out a way to do that. Ideally I find a like-minded woman who understands the issues around marriage and will be fine with being partners without getting married, who knows?

Doctor_Mayhem · 2014-02-27T16:45:23+00:00

Finish degree. Become military officer. Eliminate others from life. Isolate self from world. Finish career, continue living for self. Possibly write a book or two. Maybe run for office, if possible.

I've come to the conclusion that at this point, life with women won't happen. Time to instead aspire to greatness.

iluminatiNYC · 2014-02-28T01:59:42+00:00

This is a good question, especially since I have a 4 year old daughter that I have primary custody of. In the long run, it would be nice for my daughter to have a woman in her life. That said, having me simping just to get some random chick around does none of us any good. Right now, I'll play it by ear, keep my game tight and see what happens.

slcjosh · 2014-03-14T05:28:55+00:00

My long game at this time, is success in my business. I'm grinding hard for a start up on the cusp of taking off. We are so fucking close, that's really all my mind is set on at this time. Everything else is an after thought.

Once objective 1 is accomplished I plan to continue my work, save some real money. Take a real fucking vacation, not just a weekend road trip. I'm not planning to settle any time soon I have too much shit I'm going to do first, so no homes will be purchased unless it is for the purpose of investment property. That's as far ahead as I have thought.

NYCredpill · 2014-02-25T22:43:02+00:00

As a young mid 20s guy making decent income working in finance, my long term goal is to attain financial independence as soon as possible: to have enough money saved up that I can retire as early as possible and live a nice lifestyle off investment money. Personally I don't plan on ever getting married, and I don't see myself getting into a committed LTR anytime in the foreseeable future, and a little bit of money goes a very long way when you're not spending it on women.

I would advise every young man to save as much as possible and strive for financial independence. If you can attain a nice stream of passive income by your 30s the world is your oyster.

Title	What's your long game?
Author	bit_tosser
Upvotes	23
Comments	46
Date	February 25, 2014 1:10 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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