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Is Feminism technically a Hate Group?

Egalitarianwhistle

May 6, 2020

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Title	Is Feminism technically a Hate Group?
Author	Egalitarianwhistle
Upvotes	395
Comments	82
Date	May 6, 2020 9:50 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/AntiFeminists
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/geteoj/is_feminism_technically_a_hate_group/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/AntiFeminists/is-feminism-technically-a-hate-group.710005 https://theredarchive.com/post/710005

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I think feminism makes women feel entitled and important something they can fight for. I believe their ancestor drove it into their heads they are being mistreated and it never got out instead the opposite happened it went in so deep that it’s the opposite of what it stood for equality and back in the 1920s women wanted to be along side men and they became along side them. only now to see all THEIR hard work make feminism the opposite of what is was meant to be oh how far these “ feminists” have fallen . I understand their are people with their arguments and that’s ok what’s not ok is about up in our faces and disrespectful some can be about it. Some of us have to keep being an MRA a secret so we don’t get attacked mean while if somebody says there a feminist they get praised so yes feminism is a hate group now. The crazy feminist have shamed their ancestors and all women on the feminist side who respect our opinions.

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retaliating with the same intensity when they do something crazy

I'd suggest not doing this. In fact, I suggest interacting as little as possible with them. Never forget, if you piss them off, they can lie to the Cuck Squad (police) and say you assaulted them. You're pretty much fucked at that point.

If a chimpanzee at the zoo tried to start beef with you, you wouldn't get into a fight with it, would you? Actually it would kick your ass, chimps are strong af o.O But that's besides the point. The point is it's a dumb animal and not worth your time. And chimps are way smarter and more logical than women.

I don't look at them, talk to them, or anything, if possible. If they try to chat with me, I smile & nod, but say little. If they ask about my relationship status, I say I'm asexual. You can also throw in some other stuff here which repels them, but doesn't upset them. Talk a lot about your mom and how close you are to her, and how you live with her and care for her. Instant turnoff. Same if you start asking her about whether she's formed a personal relationship with Jesus. There are plenty of safe ways out of interacting with them.

My life is fucking awesome thanks to staying the hell away from the psycho devil gender, I don't wanna fuck that up by going to prison for something I didn't do.

Btw, r/MGTOW

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Wait, you're actually saying feminism isn't a political movement? It doesn't have lobbyists fighting on behalf of their ideologies? It hasn't got laws and politics changed to suit them?

What in the....

The two people you listed literally have no ties to feminism at all. You could argue MAYBE James did but you'd be hard pressed to prove that.

Also, lol @ listing Men as original feminists. One from the fucking Industrial period, no less.

Do you even know of the people you listed and their work? Have you read their books and philosophy or did you catch them on a buzzfeed article?

So first wave feminism (which is explicitly stated to be 1800-1900s women's suffrage movement in any academia you'll find about feminism, anywhere) didn't get women the vote without being subject to the draft? White feather campaign didn't happen either? There's no feminist politicians? Like...are you just arguing semantics because you're wrong or you genuinely believe feminism has been anything more than anti-male/pro-female?

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Well that’s a really difficult one, but as a rule I would say if you’re sexist in any way then you’re not a feminist and can’t claim to be.

Despite the word the way I advocate for feminism is for the clear, distinct understanding that both sexes are equal whilst simultaneously not ignoring the biological, emotional and physical differences that we all have. (Example; whilst female runners and male runners are physically different and have different personal bests etc both should be treated with as much respect and paid equally)

It’s difficult to get through to the mentality a woman is in to get to the state of hating an entire gender, but it usually comes from a lot of pain and is defended with a lot of anger. It’s almost like a phobia of sorts, not to equate men with dogs but if someone as a child has been attacked by a dog, they may grow up hating or scared of dogs because of a traumatic experience. That is hard to disentangle as a single person, and more often than not a stranger. That’s not something that I personally want to stick my nose into. But I would ask, as I do myself, for them to speak as an individual, not an entire movement. But it’s really difficult and frustrating to come across such a person, so such patience may not always be present, as I’m acutely aware of the damage this rhetoric they spread do for most feminists who do not share their opinions. Unfortunately those with the most extreme views, tend to have the loudest voices.

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[–]daisjavu1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is a fascinating and really disturbing read, thank you!

These women seem to me to be piggybacking on a movement that has gained a lot of traction in recent years, with the message getting skewed in the process. A lot of them know if they play their cards right and manipulate the system, they can come out on top. A lot of them know that if you stick the word “feminist” to yourself, a rally of women will rush to their defence over anything. No matter how harmful their statements or actions have been.

While feminism is in no way a religion, I think sometimes people’s uses of it mirror how one may use religion. Some use it to better understand and be empathetic of others, and help those around them. My partner for instance, is a very proud feminist and he shows that in how he raises his daughter. It’s things like learning to be respectful of all people in the same way, to not expect a certain thing of herself or other people just because of their gender, and to stick up for herself and others. Then there are those who use it to justify their own prejudices and hatred, the “feminazis” (I don’t know if that’s a dated reference or not, whatever they’re called now). The people who get so caught up in their own needs from feminism that they ignore when they’re wrong and they excuse their own actions in the name of it, because “how could I be wrong? I’m a feminist.” That kind of bullshit. You can’t shun them out, you can’t stop them using that word, they’re going to keep using it because it’s a shield to them. “No I’m not sexist, I’m a feminist”. “You hate me because of the patriarchy/ because I’m a woman/ because I’m assertive”. And they may very well believe they are being the best feminist in the world but they are not by any rational definition (be it societal or even if they looked in a dictionary) a feminist. It’s a very clever disguise used by very selfish people who want nothing but power, if they see they can gain that power over men then great, but I bet you they’d just as happily step over women to get to where they want to be because they only care for themselves.

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I agree that feminism functions as a value system similar to religion. I would say if it makes you a better person I am all for it. However, just as an atheist will continue to criticize and hold the church accountable, anti-feminists attempt to hold academic feminists accountable and to criticize the flaws in their logic.

I stopped being a feminist and became an antifeminist when a close friend was falsely accused of rape. I had evidence but all of my former friends refused to look at it. They "believed" women.

Later I found out that she has a history of false accusations and of sexually assaulting men while drunk. Yet to this day nobody has reached out to my friend or to me to apologize.

Many will say that's because for years women weren't believed etc etc. but I call bullshit.

Forcible rape, (along with all other violent crimes has been dropping steadily for decades.) Recently the definition of rape was changed so that force or threat of force has been removed from the definition.

Now the definition is much broader. However, statistically, based on the new definition, women rape about as often as men. (CDC NISVS 2010-2012 12 month data; also https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/503492/)

But this change has been catastrophized to appear as a crisis requiring the removal of due process rights. Unfortunately most countries have a gendered rape law. Also the stigma of rape is culturally gendered. So when women violate a man's consent, it is considered funny. https://thoughtcatalog.com/anonymous/2014/05/wait-a-second-did-amy-schumer-rape-a-guy/?fbclid=IwAR05MQhJFkl1rlEcctROqfMIM34Xe2_8usgohA6D7l5cH5jxYhUgTMxVjSA

When Amy Schumer brags about doing the same thing as Brock Turner, the audience laughs. What's frustrating to me is that the very people, feminists, who should be unpacking asymmetrical stigma of rape are instead making it worse by slogans like #believewomen

In this whole process in the last two years, I have come to recognize that I have been rape by three women in my life- all of them self identified feminists. They woke me up with penetrative sex when I could not consent. This has made me realize that the new (feminist) definition of rape is both overly broad amd selectively enforced. We don't assume trauma for a man who wakes up at a party with his penis in a strange woman's mouth. I'm fact I am not even claiming trauma other than to say there is a clear and undeniable double standard that fills me with rage against the self righteous attitudes of modern day "anti-rape" feminists.

The idea that one gender should be believed over another gender is anathema to gender equality.

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Yeah it’s a really bad idea to attribute one mentality to a potential crime that has so many variables. I understand the intent of this “always believe women” mentality but it is ultimately problematic. If you are claiming to be a feminist, then you should want women to be believed just as much as men. This does not mean only listening to the woman’s side of thing, and blocking out any defence a man may have in response, that is not gender equality. I believe this is an attempt at equity, making up for parts of history where women telling the truth have not been believed because they did not have the power the “offending” man had at the time. Reparations for this should happen to women who have been proven to be right in history, not women claiming to be telling the truth now.

A couple years ago I was raped by all definitive standards. I was drunk, partially unconscious at multiple points and told him no a lot. But because of lack of evidence, he was never taken to trial or even given a slap on the wrist and while that was disheartening for me, I knew how the law works. If it’s his word against mine, then that’s the end of it. In a court of law, no one is going to believe me more than him as we are both as likely to lie as each other. I will not get the “always believe women” mentality by the judge, because that would be irresponsible of them to do so. They need evidence. I didn’t have it, so case closed. I’m okay with that. I can’t do any more from there but hope bringing it to light helps him reevaluate his actions.

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