This sub has the wrong name

Reddit1984Censorship · 2021-10-02T19:01:16+00:00

Feminism has being corrupted and men hating for decades the name is beyond repair.Egalitarianism is the word to be used in the 21th century.
Men have issues too, feminism implies by definition that men have it easy and all worked out and is only women who need help wich is nonsense and very damaging to men.

LondonDude123 · 2021-10-02T19:10:14+00:00

newsflash, femenists don't hate men. Those that do aren't true femenists.

No! True! Scotsman!!!

Please read this entire response before you respond to me, thanks :)

The following is a very informed and highly reusable comment by Karen Straughan in response to a feminist who thinks the many blatant sexists among feminists aren't real feminists:

So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, and the massive, well-funded feminist organizations with thousands and thousands of members all of whom call themselves feminists... they are not "real feminists".

That's not just "no true Scotsman". That's delusional self deception.

Listen, if you want to call yourself a feminist, I don't care. I've been investigating feminism for more than 9 years now, and people like you used to piss me off, because to my mind all you were doing was providing cover and ballast for the powerful political and academic feminists you claim are just jerks. And believe me, they ARE jerks. If you knew half of what I know about the things they've done under the banner of feminism, maybe you'd stop calling yourself one.

But I want you to know. You don't matter. You're not the director of the Feminist Majority Foundation and editor of Ms. Magazine, Katherine Spillar, who said of domestic violence: "Well, that's just a clean-up word for wife-beating," and went on to add that regarding male victims of dating violence, "we know it's not girls beating up boys, it's boys beating up girls."

You're not Jan Reimer, former mayor of Edmonton and long-time head of Alberta's Network of Women's Shelters, who just a few years ago refused to appear on a TV program discussing male victims of domestic violence, because for her to even show up and discuss it would lend legitimacy to the idea that they exist.

You're not Mary P Koss, who describes male victims of female rapists in her academic papers as being not rape victims because they were "ambivalent about their sexual desires" (if you don't know what that means, it's that they actually wanted it), and then went on to define them out of the definition of rape in the CDC's research because it's inappropriate to consider what happened to them rape.

You're not the National Organization for Women, and its associated legal foundations, who lobbied to replace the gender neutral federal Family Violence Prevention and Services Act of 1984 with the obscenely gendered Violence Against Women Act of 1994. The passing of that law cut male victims out of support services and legal assistance in more than 60 passages, just because they were male.

You're not the Florida chapter of the NOW, who successfully lobbied to have Governor Rick Scott veto not one, but two alimony reform bills in the last ten years, bills that had passed both houses with overwhelming bipartisan support, and were supported by more than 70% of the electorate.

You're not the feminist group in Maryland who convinced every female member of the House on both sides of the aisle to walk off the floor when a shared parenting bill came up for a vote, meaning the quorum could not be met and the bill died then and there.

You're not the feminists in Canada agitating to remove sexual assault from the normal criminal courts, into quasi-criminal courts of equity where the burden of proof would be lowered, the defendant could be compelled to testify, discovery would go both ways, and defendants would not be entitled to a public defender.

You're not Professor Elizabeth Sheehy, who wrote a book advocating that women not only have the right to murder their husbands without fear of prosecution if they make a claim of abuse, but that they have the moral responsibility to murder their husbands.

You're not the feminist legal scholars and advocates who successfully changed rape laws such that a woman's history of making multiple false allegations of rape can be excluded from evidence at trial because it's "part of her sexual history."

You're not the feminists who splattered the media with the false claim that putting your penis in a passed-out woman's mouth is "not a crime" in Oklahoma, because the prosecutor was incompetent and charged the defendant under an inappropriate statute (forcible sodomy) and the higher court refused to expand the definition of that statute beyond its intended scope when there was already a perfectly good one (sexual battery) already there. You're not the idiot feminists lying to the public and potentially putting women in Oklahoma at risk by telling potential offenders there's a "legal" way to rape them.

And you're none of the hundreds or thousands of feminist scholars, writers, thinkers, researchers, teachers and philosophers who constructed and propagate the body of bunkum theories upon which all of these atrocities are based.

You're the true feminist. Some random person on the internet.

Remarkable_Weather21 · 2021-10-02T19:05:34+00:00

I think your "feminsm" is not actual feminism

Remarkable_Weather21 · 2021-10-02T19:23:57+00:00

Thanks to feminists and feminism raping a man is legal do you actually want us to support rape against men by supporting feminism i am a horrible person but not that much thanks

Thegreatestanus · 2021-10-02T19:28:12+00:00

Do you believe that the patriarchy exists?

sgt_oddball_17 · 2021-10-02T20:06:27+00:00

The No True Scotsman Falacy never gets old . . .

NoMoreMisterMaybe · 2021-10-02T20:11:13+00:00

My dude, you can't even spell "feminism" correctly. I don't think you're in any position to talk about it. If you'd done your research, you'd know how to spell it through sheer osmosis.

Claptrap-94 · 2021-10-02T20:15:50+00:00

How does one take equality too far?

Funny how people make ridiculous claims yet contradict themselves.

Feminism is not about equality and you already proved that in the first few lines.

brunobananii · 2021-10-02T20:20:59+00:00

Actually the statement "don't believe men and women should be made equal" is incomplete or false if equality is not a goal. It would then become; don't believe men and women should be made equal through advocacy of women's rights. You can also make men and women equal through advocacy of men's rights or alternatively taking away (wo)men's rights depending on how you interpret society and the value you place on the unique aspects/challenges regarding men and women.

Extra-Strike2276 · 2021-10-02T20:40:14+00:00

So when this supposed majority of feminist see comments like "kill all men" they refute it and say they disagree? I haven't seen it happen yet, but you might see a few comments, but they are full off insults from people who agree. Those same comments get thousands of likes and agreement in comments. So if what you say is true, that's its just a few extremist, then the rest of the feminist movement must be weak cowards for not openly disagreeing.

How about when a former feminist makes a comment about mens rights, and they them get insulted, or out right shunned by their former peers?

How about pushing agenda that would make misogyny illegal, but saying misandry is ok?

These are rather public figures pushing these things. Are you fighting against them, or staying silent? Are you just one of these supposed "extremest"? Do you think women should be held liable for their own actions and punished the same as men, Or do you believe women should be held to a different standard? When a women makes a false sexual claim and ruins a man's life and it's proved false, what should happen?

I'm for equality. When a man and women do the same crime, she shouldn't get a lesser punishment. There shouldn't be any extra incentive for a business to hire women over men, it should go to the most qualified. Does it make any logical sense to require 51% women in a business where 90% in the field are men? How about the supposed gender pay gap, is it fair to punish men because women choose easier and safer jobs? (Just a note since feminism promotes a lie, men at the same job actually make slightly less on average then women. The study showed all jobs and based a formula from that)

In truth feminism at it's supposed beliefs is great. However in the real world it's a hate movement and until the non-extremist start speaking out, it will stay that way. If you're really about equality start calling out the bullshit that the majority of popular feminist preach.

NoMarriageNoKids · 2021-10-02T21:01:16+00:00

There's different levels, or waves, of feminism. We have entered the 4th wave. And, trust me, it's not about equality. It's about dominance.

maxlvb · 2021-10-03T03:25:49+00:00

Which doesn't oppose feminist ideology because newsflash, feminists don't hate men. Those that do aren't true feminists.

FYI:

Feminist founders and leaders on why feminism and feminists hate men...

Man-hating is everywhere, but everywhere it is twisted and transformed, disguised, tranquilized, and qualified. It coexists, never peacefully, with the love, desire, respect, and need women also feel for men. Always man-hating is shadowed by its milder, more diplomatic and doubtful twin, ambivalence.

Judith Levine

I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.

Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor

The nuclear family must be destroyed… Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process.

Linda Gordon, Feminist

I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.

Andrea Dworkin, Feminist

Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women’s movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage.

Sheila Cronin, the leader of the feminist organization NOW

Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice.

Andrea Dworkin, Feminist

The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist.

Ti-Grace Atkinson, Feminist

Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear.

Susan Brownmiller, Feminist, Against Our Will p.6

Politically, I call it rape whenever a woman has sex and feels violated.

Catherine MacKinnon, Feminist

The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.

Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future – If There Is One – Is Female

If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males.

Mary Daly, Feminist

And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference.

Susan Griffin, Feminist, Rape: The All-American Crime

If anyone is prosecuted for filing a false report, then victims of real attacks will be less likely to report them.

David Angier, Feminist

Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.

Catherine Comins, Asst Dean at Vassa, Feminist.

As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women…he can sexually molest his daughters… THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE.

Marilyn French, Feminist Author

I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.

Barbara Jordan, former Congresswoman, Feminist.

Women have their faults / men have only two: / everything they say / everything they do.

Popular Feminist Graffiti

“Hatred of men is actually brave and courageous and we need to celebrate the women who are willing to openly display their hatred towards men.”

Psychologist/Feminist. Tracey Brimmer

Dalrock’s Law of Feminism: Feminism is the assertion that men are evil and naturally want to harm women, followed by demands to men to solve all of women’s problems.

ElyskyPlayz0 · 2021-10-03T09:27:18+00:00

No one going to talk about how he included the word men in the word feminist lmfao

Title	This sub has the wrong name
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