Maybe this belongs also on r/amitheasshole.
My wife and I are currently separated but living together. She’s 3 months pregnant with my child(it’s mine). We are living separately in the same apartment. We have been going to couples therapy, initially to explore how we are going to co-parent once the baby comes, but in the last few weeks, I’ve got the feeling, and also my wife said, that there might be a change of reconciliation. I think she thought that that’s what I wanted. She was the one who instigated the separation.
Anyway, we had come to an agreement that once the baby comes, she will stop working for a year and we would continue to live together. We haven’t got lawyers involved as we are both aware of the costs and we want to try at least to do this amicably. I am naturally sceptical, and I’m ready at a moments notice to lawyer up, but I thought I’d see how this plays out.
I won’t go into all the other details, of which there are many, but I wanted to focus on one disagreement we had today, which I raised, because she says I’m being petty, but I think I’m being prudent, and in fact by calling me petty, she’s actually the one being petty. Here goes...
6 months ago, she sold her property she had inherited from her grandmother as she wanted to use the money to buy an investment property. Or at least a down payment on an investment property. She needed me and my salary to get approval for the mortgage.
We own our primary apartment together which we both paid the deposit on 50/50 and both contribute to the mortgage and bills. She made it very clear from before we were married that her $250k property inheritance for the second property is hers, and in the event of divorce, I’m not to get any of it. We even signed a document saying so(not that that has much legal weight)
I was perfectly happy with this arrangement because she said that she wouldn’t want any of my retirement pension(which she would be entitled to half of) if we split up, and we had a gentleman’s agreement.
When we were together and she wanted to buy an investment property, I made it very clear to her that any costs involved in the property such as topping up the rent to pay for the mortgage, maintenance, rates, water, property management etc etc were all on her. She wasn’t happy about this, but I said that if I’m not a part of the investment, then I shouldn’t have to pay for its upkeep.
She has always complained that I don’t bring in enough money from my salary, so I said to her, well if it’s not enough, then why would I reduce it even further by having to pay for YOUR investment. I invest our savings in investment vehicles that require 0 cash input, not my fault that her investment bleeds money. I earn 3 times what she does btw.
My rationale is, if you needed me and my salary to get the 2nd mortgage, and you need my salary to pay for ongoing costs, then you can’t suggest that the investment is yours alone. This was when we were together. She agreed to pay for the costs out of her salary. Fine.
Now she’s pregnant and we have agreed that while she stopped working for a year, I’d be paying our joint mortgage together, and all the costs for her and baby and myself.
Then I said that, who is going to be paying for her investment while she’s not working? We have just had a large bill for plumbing and she’s also reduced to tenants rent for the next 6 months. She assumed the money would be coming from me and our savings.
I said even if we were still together, which we currently aren’t, this is exactly the situation I said I didn’t want before she bought the place. She can’t on one hand complain I don’t earn enough, or my salary isn’t enough to provide(spoiler, I do and it is) then on the other hand, reduce my salary by using it to fund HER investment.
If I’m paying for it then that means it’s a joint investment, or she uses her own savings(of which she has enough) to pay for the costs while she isn’t working.
She says I’m being petty and now can’t see us reconciling(I have not once asked to get back together) but I see it as protecting the money I earn and need to provide for her and the baby.
I shouldn’t have to fund her bad investment, especially if I’m not entitled to any of it when we split up, and especially seeing as I told her this before she insisted I help her buy it.
Am I being petty?
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Yeah that’s my thinking too. That’s why I want to sell our place now, and she can have half the equity to put into her investment property, then take me off that loan so I’m not on the hook for the mortgage payments. My issue with all this is that, I don’t want my unborn child to suffer with her as a single parent when it’s born. She is going to be completely out her depth when the baby is born, and I know she won’t be able to cope hardly with me around, let alone if we live apart. We decided to live together so that even though we aren’t together, we both get to share the first year together with building a bond with the child and helping each other.
In the country I live, they have no fault divorce where they just put all your assets into one big pile and divide it equally or depending on the custody agreement. I will want at least 50/50, and that’ll reduce any child support she receives. She knows she will have to go back to work then. I’m concerned about seeking legal advice as I’m guessing they smell blood in the water and will want to get a big payday out of me.
Dream scenario is that I buy her out our apartment, she puts that into her apartment, and once we have a year or so as parents, we go our separate ways, divide our assets and I pay child support. I get a feeling though I’m being a bit naive/optimistic
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Thanks, I’m in Australia. Here you have to be separated for a year before you can file for divorce. It’s like we are having a game of chicken really, we know divorce is going to cost a lot and she’s insisting she wants us to do it amicably, but after today it’s obvious that we are going to need a lawyer to reach agreements about money. She’s making it out that I’m being petty, but it’s easy for her to say that because she’s the lower earner, with fewer assets and less to lose, so whatever happens she’s going to do well financially. Whereas for me it’s about how badly am I going to get shafted. She’s making out that I should not be thinking about money at all, and should just be concerned about her and the baby’s wellbeing, and I should just happily melt away into the background whilst paying for everything and helping her when it gets too difficult.
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You are talking a lot of sense, and I know I should consult a lawyer. I also know that once I do, she is going to erupt like Vesuvius and it’s going to be war. We are living in peace now and I’m not sure I want war, especially as she’s pregnant and I don’t want to have to miss out of the birth of my child. We have no family in this country as we both arrived from overseas. There’s a total ban on foreigners coming into this country for at least another year so it’s really just us, As much as I dislike her and don’t see a future together, I don’t want to leave the house and force her hand to do things on her own. I just don’t want to get taken advantage of either.
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She’s already guilting me into saying that I shouldn’t be even talking about money, and I should only be concerned about the well being of her and the baby. She claims she will move out but I find it hard to believe, and even harder to believe once the baby comes and she realises how much work it’s going to be. I work shift work so I’m already thinking I’ll need an au pair to help me to do 50/50 custody. There’s no way I could afford to pay the mortgage, top up the other mortgage, pay her child support and maintenance and also pay for my own rental in the same suburb.
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