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Book recommendations to be a good man?

itdoesnotmatterbro · 2021-09-17T06:58:43+00:00

Hey guys. In the past i read some red pill stuff. I didn't like many ideas but i liked the idea of being a strong man. Can you recommend me a book...

itdoesnotmatterbro

September 17, 2021

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Title	Book recommendations to be a good man?
Author	itdoesnotmatterbro
Upvotes	4
Comments	25
Date	September 17, 2021 6:58 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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Well first of all his book is available for free on his website in PDF which he makes clear, and his videos are free, so the sales argument is bull.

I would honestly say most of his stuff is very different than the red pill. And he doesn't like the red pill community and they really don't like him (that's a fact- they think he teaches people to be beta simps).

But there are a lot of people in this sub that are so angry at ALL dating coaches and ALL men (there are some men haters in here if you click on their past comments you can find them spewing hate in other forums) who speak on men topics that they want to lump them altogether. To me those people in this sub are no better than red pillers and toxic too.

(If you think just because someone is a dating or life coach that they're red pill... Then you're going to be mad and bitter a whole lot of people).

For instance Corey has dated single mothers and doesn't discourage people from it at all- whereas that's like a cardinal sin in red pill community. Seriously it's very much against the red pill "doctrine"

Corey also coaches women too. He has women friends, yes platonic friends. His platonic friends are on his show. He speaks highly of most of his exes and even his first wife- something NONE of the red pillers would ever do.

Honestly most of his messages are about don't be needy and love in such a way the other person feels free.

But people here are like "oh he's teaching men how to date women- tHaT's ReD pILL!!!" Like no... it's not

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Well first of all his book is available for free on his website in PDF which he makes clear, and his videos are free, so the sales argument is bull.

Giving out a free sample of material doesn't mean much, that's actually a pretty good sales technique. Giving a sample allows people to see what you're about, which then attracts them to buy your other books for sale, purchase your coaching services, and give views to your YouTube channel (which is alot of income). Why would it be bull? I'm sure there's a level of competition that exists between dating coaches. If you're Corey, you don't want some guy going over to Rollo, that takes away your views and coaching opportunities.

I would honestly say most of his stuff is very different than the red pill. And he doesn't like the red pill community and they really don't like him (that's a fact- they think he teaches people to be beta simps).

Explain how. You're not detailing how it's different. He calls people betas, he teaches game. I get that it's not every aspect of TRP, but it's still enough.

But there are a lot of people in this sub that are so angry at ALL dating coaches and ALL men (there are some men haters in here if you click on their past comments you can find them spewing hate in other forums) who speak on men topics that they want to lump them altogether. To me those people in this sub are no better than red pillers and toxic too.

I'm a mod, I ban women that say misandristic things, just like I ban men that say misogynistic things. That being said, I've had to ban far, far more men for misogyny. If you see blatant misandry, report it, but I genuinely haven't seen alot. Personally, I'm not a fan of dating coaches. I think that it's a market that preys on vulnerable, lonely men (usually mentally ill too) and charges outrageous prices to tell them shit that you could have just read for free.

(If you think just because someone is a dating or life coach that they're red pill... Then you're going to be mad and bitter a whole lot of people).

This is a strawman argument. You're attacking a position that I literally never took. I used to watch Corey Wayne alot, thats the only reason why I'm saying this. Of course not all life coaches and self help is redpill, the vast majority isn't.

For instance Corey has dated single mothers and doesn't discourage people from it at all- whereas that's like a cardinal sin in red pill community. Seriously it's very much against the red pill "doctrine"

There you go, now you're bringing up actual differences. If Corey really did date single moms, then yes, that's certainly a difference from TRP community, and a good one.

Corey also coaches women too. He has women friends, yes platonic friends. His platonic friends are on his show. He speaks highly of most of his exes and even his first wife- something NONE of the red pillers would ever do.

Out of all the videos I've watched, I never saw Corey coach a woman. I think I remember him specifically saying don't tell women that you learned the stuff he shares. But, if he does coach woman and encourages friendships with women, that's cool.

But people here are like "oh he's teaching men how to date women- tHaT's ReD pILL!!!" Like no... it's not

Since you keep saying this, and keep strawmaning my arguments, I'll lay it out very simply for you. In a way that's extremely easy to understand. Corey's similarities with TRP: 1. Has said before that women aren't logical and rational like men, and has even gone as far as to say they're like little kids. 2. Corey calls men that disagree betas and simps. 3. Corey teaches some tactics that are almost identical to game. 4. Corey's view of dating is fairly similar to TRP where he views success in dating as something that is unknown to most men and can only be learned through what he sells. Just as TRP says most men are bluepilled betas, Corey says 97% of men have no idea what they're doing.

Is Corey 100% TRP? No. If I had to make it a spectrum, where redpill is 100, and no redpill at all is 0, I'd put Corey somewhere around 40-50. I think he teaches enough to where one could logically progress to the RedPill. One could come from his videos and say "wow, Corey was right. Women aren't very rational and you need to play the part of the alpha to be successful. I guess TRP is part of the 3% of men that actually know what they're doing."

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First, it’s not a free sample- he has his entire book for free. That’s not a sample. It’s his entire work. And if the guy is going to keep giving out advice and answering emails over years, then yeah I’ll buy a book as a thank you because he needs to make a living somehow.

The “game” Corey teaches you keep referring to is not the same “game” taught by Neil Strauss and Mystery like in the book “the game.” Mystery and Neil Strauss and the other pick up artists had an entire system of how to manipulate women. Corey’s “game” is mostly teaching guys to leave a woman alone and not blow up her phone being needy, and to be honest with her in your intentions and congruent in your actions. They are very different things- so much so that Corey is not recognized by PUA or Red Pill as part of their community and is talked down on by them

Further- Corey has gone on record saying that men who sleep with tons of women tend to have psychotic behaviors sociopaths.

He does give advice to women. I have seen him answer women emails. He does have women on his show as well. He has women employees work with him in his dating business as well. He just so happens to have mostly men clients emailing him- which isn’t a fault of his.

Corey doesn’t say women aren’t logical- this feels like a straw man argument from you and is a categorically false. The context is that men and women often have different communication styles- and they do. Corey says that women tend to be much more in tune with their emotions and can pick up when things are “off” in a relationship and not feeling right. And then when a relationship ends men tend to use logic to justify why he shouldn’t be dumped or why he should be given a second chance, when the issue isn’t logical but an emotional one (the feelings aren’t there anymore). Anyway his basic message is that men and women often communicate differently. You’re taking this out of context though and making it try to fit a misogynistic mold, but it’s not misogynistic to say that men and women have different communication styles or are just different altogether.

Next, there ARE different types of men in this world. There are super macho guys who want to spend time in the gym and take on dangerous occupations and then there are guys who won’t be caught dead in a gym and take on roles that are more like tech support. There are different types of men, that’s a fact. I don’t feel like having the alpha vs beta argument honestly and whether it exists, but calling some groups of men beta doesn’t make you a red piller (that’s a straw man argument, which you use a lot of as well). There are plenty of people who throw around the alpha and beta terms but aren’t red pillers whatsoever, so that’s a pretty weak argument.

Next red pill is firmly against marriage. This is huge in their community and can’t be understated enough. They completely discourage marriage and even go so far as discouraging cohabitation (living with your girlfriend at all). Corey wants to help men find the woman of their dreams and get married. Red Pill thinks you have to be an idiot to get married and like to detail their list of stats they have on divorce system and family court. Corey encourages marriage and long term relationships and cohabitation. Another reason why red pill doesn’t like him and he doesn’t like them. This is a huge difference between them.

Next Red pill thinks you should never, ever take back an ex. And while Corey encourages people to move on to someone better than their ex (which is healthy), he actually is mostly well known for helping people get an ex back if that’s what they want (mostly through stating what you want, don’t beg them, practice no contact, improve yourself, and wait for them to reach out to you- all healthy things to do). Getting back with an ex girlfriend is actually against one of Rollo Tomassis 9 Iron Rules from the book Rational Male which is red pillers’ Bible. Getting back with an ex is another cardinal sin in the red pills eyes that Corey practices.

I don’t know what else much to say other than he says he’s not one, he dislikes the red pill community, he makes several videos saying he thinks red pill is toxic and those guys don’t know what they’re talking about and your going to blow up your relationships if you listen to them. The red pill community dislikes him and say he’s teaching people to be blue pill, and they disown him. Red pill videos always come from a place of bitterness and hate, Corey’s videos teach you to love in such a way the other person feels free, they’re very different doctrines.

***Final point: Having seen the RP community first hand for several years, and since you’re a mod, I can tell you here are the people you guys absolutely SHOULD watch out for though that are the real RP: Rollo Tomassi (their god), Rich Cooper aka Entrepreneurs in Cars (Rollo’s number one spokesperson and arguably a leader in the space), AMS, Fresh and Fit, Modern Life Dating, Coach Greg Adams, Donovan Sharp, Steph is Cold, Rule Zero crew, Darius, 33 Secrets, Coach Red Pill, Better Bachelor, Aaron Clarey, Red Pill Guru/the Christian Bachelor (Formerly the red pill guru, changed his name to avoid censors), George Bruno, Taylor the Fiend, Think before you sleep- these guys are some of the heavy hitters and are the actual red pill this sub is against. These people are your enemy, and they are very, very different.

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Look, I get that you're a Corey Wayne apologist, and that no matter what I say you're going to defend him. And, I've watched probably over 50 hours of his YouTube content back in 2019, so no matter what you tell me, my opinion isn't going to change either. I read your comment, and this is going to be absolutely exhausting if I respond to everything you wrote. First, you never admit to strawmanning some of my arguments, instead, you just turn around and start saying I'm using strawman arguments, which is exhausting. Everything I say, you're going to turn around and accuse me of doing the same thing, which is not a productive debate.

To conclude, if you found benefit of Corey Wayne, and his teachings help you love and respect women, that's good for you. From my personal experience, Corey's book helped me (because I was able to discern the good advice from the bad advice), but his YouTube channel furthered my progression down the RedPill rabbit hole. I do vividly remember him telling men that women are like little kids with how they act in some ways. If I'm being extremely charitable, I'll say maybe this was simply a bad joke. I also do vividly remember him saying that men think rationally and pick their partners rationally, whereas women it's all emotional. I have also seen him call men beta males as an insult. If you find ways to explain way these things, or ignore these things, that's good for you.

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