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[–]absolutebeginners16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You hired an underage prostitute, felt bad, and fell in love? Its not a fucking "friend zone" dude. She thinks you are her friend. Quit being such a shitty person and tell her how you feel and if she doesn't agree, politely leave her alone if you can't be friends with her.
Shes not gonna magically start wanting to fuck you because you are ignoring her phone calls...
[–]axomano1 point 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Okay, I´ve been just ingoring phone calls because I´m not sure which way I´m gonna stop it. I still have something which I need to return her anyways so I guess if I see her I´m just going to say him face to face that being just friends is no good for me. Would not mind being friends with her, I just realise time to time that I want something more than that and thats why is not good to just be friends.
[–]RedMedi5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Dude, you have build a substantial friendship with this woman. It's clear that you are close to one another. Are you really going to just throw that away? Were you only her friend to have sex with her?
You have two paths as I see it:
1) If you like her as a person and find your friendship valuable: stay friends, ask her out as she may say yes now she's single. If she says no, you can move on and maintain the friendship if you are mature.
2) If you don't particularly like her and were manipulating her to have sex with her then I suggest you tell her in person or over the phone that you are dealing with some issues and need some space to deal with it.
Please, don't sacrifice a good friendship on the altar of the Red Pill. Forget about "friendzone", "nexting", "seduction" just be real with her and ask her out.
[–]axomano points points points 56 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I would like to think that I´ve not been only her friend because I want to have sex with her. Thing is I´ve just been too nice to her, pleaser etc and this is something I need to stop anyways. Sure I must like her as a person in some level to have a 5 year long friendship, its not like I´m thinking sexual every time we met.
[–]RedMedi2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you want to be more assertive, you can do this while being her friend. You don't need to say yes to every request but ignoring her calls isn't going to help the situation!
[–]FixinThePlanet4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Don't use manipulation you learnt on TRP and then ask people here for advice. We will tell you that manipulation is wrong even if it works because manipulating someone makes you a shitty person nobody should trust.
If I found out a friend was "soft nexting" me and being passive aggressive in an attempt to make me interested, instead of being honest and open about his feelings, that friendship would be over because he would have made it perfectly clear he did not respect my ability to make decisions.
Ask yourself if you really respect this person because the way you talk about her sounds like you don't.
Your option 1 sounded fairly sensible. Figure out what you want and ask for it instead of trying to con it out of someone. Be prepared for all possible outcomes and have self respect about accepting whatever happens. Right now you are being a shitty friend and nobody would want to date someone who treats them like that.
[–]axomano points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Thanks mate. Option 1 is probably what was in my mind @ first, so I guess this is what i feel the most being me and I should go with this, even though it does not help me get laid. Getting laid should not be a priority anyways, so if I can be honest and explain what is bothering me and let her understand why I dont want to continue like this, it should be enough for me i hope.
[–]FixinThePlanet0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I hope so too. Good luck!
[–]coveredwthsores2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
... let me guess... You spend money on her don't you
[–]lukeyj_gtfc1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Either she likes you or she doesn't. The uncertainty is affecting you.
It could go either way. Make a move. If she's into it, good start, if not chances are it is a write off. Accept the answer, she's not that into you. If you do succeed, keep it in that lines, don't allow it to go back to friendship. Be clear you don't want to be friends and you don't want to be fwb if you have to talk about it. If you're cutting her out, be honest. At least she'll know and can make her choice from it.
She did choose 2 ltr in the mean time so odds aren't great. Can you two be intimate without alcohol. If not, it's almost a bit of a lie. She has to be attracted to you sober.
If thats the case I do not think FWB is a bad option, I´m just sick of that I always need to suppress my sexuality around her, because we are just friends. Of course odds are not great, but I do not care. Ask her out/make a move or let her know whats on my mind and being honest? I guess I should first ask her out or make a move and see how she reacts and if it does not go well then let her know that i do not want to be friends.
[–]mister_max0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You have to resolve your own limiting beliefs, specifically that of a lack of self worth.
Fundamentally you don't love yourself, otherwise you wouldn't subject yourself to such a relationship where you are not meeting your needs but are meeting the needs of the other. If what you want from her is something she is not willing to give you, then she is no longer worth your time. Period. End.
You must not be friends with a woman for whom you have genuine desire if she will not reciprocate it. In the long run this will only hurt your self esteem and encourage her to take advantage of your feelings for her even more.
If you can get over it and find another woman, then perhaps you can be friends. Or if you no longer see her that way and will treat her PURELY as a friend (i.e.: no favors in the hopes that it will get you in her pants..)
I'm sure you know most of this already of course..
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[–]mister_max0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Okay, I'll state it another way. You're addicted to female validation. On some level female validation makes you feel better about yourself.
Once you no longer need this validation to feel good about yourself, a lot of your behavior as a nice guy / savior is going to feel very bizarre to you. You will question why / how you ever did this in the first place.
Be firm with her, explain your position honestly, and show her you are firm in your position. The number one rule of relationships is "Like attracts like". Thus if you are addicted to female validation, she is addicted to male validation, which is why she feels she needs you even if she isn't fundamentally attracted to you.
[–]yourewelcome_bot0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]RedPillDetox0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well, i'm not trying to be judgemental or anything, but here's the thing. First, she's a prostitute (or a former one). I'd say that's a red flag for most people. Are you sure you share the same values as this girl? Like i said, i don't wanna be judgemental but one can't deny that prostitution is often tied to messed up psychological issues and lifestyle, like low self-steem, tendency to exploit and being exploited, drug abuse, dangerous social circle, etc.
But anyway, you're the one who knows the girl and you think she's awesome. Assuming that she is indeed the kind of girl that you want by your side, it's been years. She knows you have a crush on her. She just wants to be your friend. Why bother? If your normal self is not attractive for her then maybe you should invest time in looking for someone who likes you for who you are. Why act desinterested and come up with all the games of pretenses just to get a girl who has never liked you to like you back? Particulary given that it's been years and she had 3 LTRs already? I don't wanna kill your hope here, but if you like yourself you shouldn't behave a certain way just to get someone else to like you. I frankly think you should move on, there's probably many other great women out there who want to be with you.
Same values...shes that young so that values have been changing a lot over time for the better (IMHO). Im not actually doing no answering calls etc to make her like me, its just I am confused what is the best possible way for me to get out of this relationship which is not benefical for me. TRP of course guys told me hard next or just tell her that I want to have sex and if answer is no then hard next. Seems quite stupid in this situation in which we both know each other quite well. I know I have to move on, only thing what is concering for me is if I should just meet her face to face and let her know why I decide to move on or just continue to ignore her and let herself figure it out that I´m not interested anymore.
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