Why Is RedPill So Bad?

bluemagex2517 · 2023-07-13T19:58:19+00:00

You don't need red pill to work out and eat well.

If you want to save yourself for marriage and have a partner that does the same, that's your prerogative. That's not red pill, that's just your personal preference.

You can get all the benefits that your talking about without red pill. You can get them without all the misogynistic and abusive crap red pill teaches: dread game, hot and cold, beta bux, 80/20 rule, women hit "the wall" at 30, etc.

Red pill also teaches that it's okay for men to spin plates. You apparently want a deep meaningful relationship that lasts until death as your one and only relationship. Why are you not mad at red pill for telling guys it's okay to spin plates?

Also, FYI:

I know statistically that there is a bigger chance we both will be happier in that kind of relationship, I believe that sexual intercourse is something very special and soul-bonding that I shouldn’t waste it on short-term

This is false. People who purport to be both virgins before marriage have a statistically higher likelihood of divorce as compared to those who do not. In part because their likely to marry younger and grow apart, and in part because there is a higher likelihood that they are sexual incompatible, and sexual compatibility is a strong factor in long lasting marriages.

I'm not telling you to change this preference. If you want to wait till marriage and have a partner who does the same, by all means do so. Just don't throw around misinformation to justify it.

StarTrippinn · 2023-07-13T20:46:26+00:00

Why do you believe that you can actually pull a woman with the snap of a finger? I would really like to know this.

As for why red pill is so bad most RP, you seem incredibly insecure and at the same time, full of yourself. A boy wearing his fathers oversized suit thinking that you look an adult when everyone else sees you for the boy that you are.

Every reason that you stated for being a better version of yourself, aside from the porn, is shallow. Thats the problem with RP. Clearly you have hit all of their shallow requirements for "becoming a man" but there is no mention of emotional intelligence or depth. RP pushes control, control, control. As for someone who has been in a lot of therapy, control is not always a good thing.

What qualities do you actually have that would make you a good partner? You sound so incredibly naive about it actually takes to pull the traditional woman that you seek.

At 21, about 1 to 5% of women are actually virgins. Why would they want you? Because you work out and dont watch porn?

Can you communicate? Are you compassionate? Are you a true leader? (That means that people choose to follow you btw. Not that you simply believe that you are a leader). Can you identify your own emotions and know how to explain them? Can you pick up on others emotions? Do you have patience? Are you enjoyable to be around? Can you compromise well? When you become sexually active, would you care about your partners sexual needs? Put in enough effort to meet those needs?

As for your flaws, have you identified what they are? Where they come from? Have you figured out out how they affect you and your interpersonal relationships?

Theres just sooo much more to being a well rounded person and a good partner than the things you listed.

spiraldinosaur · 2023-07-13T21:39:15+00:00

I used to hate women for them liking men who have abs, are tall ect. And at that time I was just creating this hatred for women because i was insecure myself. Now I am all the things that I hated women want and If I wanted to I could get women

Well, the problem there is that women don't just like men who are tall and have abs. Different women like different things, and women are rarely so shallow that all they want is a tall guy with abs. I'm a skinny guy, average height, and I've never had troubles with dating and relationships. I know fat guys, I know short guys, I know guys with long curly hair and bald guys, and virtually every guy I know is in a relationship or married.

I am looking for a feminine woman which I can have the happiest family with and just marry her and have kids, I wouldn’t date any girl that slept with any guy before me because I myself am not losing my virginity even tho I could If I wanted to with a snap of a finger

You are free to choose whichever criteria you want in a partner, and there's nothing wrong with it if you too hold yourself to the same standard. But you must also accept that whoever you might date may also reject you for those ideas, and you have to be OK with that. Very few people will hold on to their virginity until marriage for multiple reasons:

We might recognise that it's possible to enjoy casual sex and have meaningful, intimate sex with a deep bond. Just like how I can enjoy a McDonalds burger AND I can enjoy a home made steak cooked with love and consideration. Enjoying one doesn't mean you don't enjoy the other.
We might not want to rush into marriage and we will maybe spend years with someone before that point, and so we might already build a strong relationship with someone. And so that sex together is still meaningful, but that doesn't mean the relationship can't fail before marriage
We might want to confirm that we're actually sexually compatible with someone before agreeing to a longer term relationship, and sometimes you might have to sleep with several people to figure out what you actually prefer.

Again, you're free to set your own standards, but you must also respect that your potential partner will also have her standards of what she wants. The main problem with the red pill is that often those expressing this will say that it's fine for men to have sex with lots of women, but it's not fine for women to have sex with lots of men. They regularly push this extremely unfair expectation. Their argument is that somehow a man having sex with lots of men makes him more dominant and attractive, while a woman having sex with lots of men makes her easy and less desirable. Neither of these are universally true or based in anything real.

Also a "feminine which I can have the happiest family with and just marry and have kids" sounds like it's ripped straight out of the 1950s. It's pushing this very dated idea of how men and women are supposed to behave and what role they are expected to have in society. Again, if you can find a woman who thinks like that then great, go have a nice family together. But when you realise that most women don't want that because it's not the 1950s any more, don't go blaming women for that. You've chosen these preferences, nobody forced that on you, and you can't expect everyone else to change just to suit you.

it is just that, that I know statistically that there is a bigger chance we both will be happier in that kind of relationship

Based on what statistics, exactly?

Im not going to lie, sometimes I am fighting my horny-self

This is another classic Red Pill attitude, that is basically about shaming yourself (and others) for having sexual desires. Sexual desire is normal. Wanting to have sex is normal. Giving in to those and enjoying sex with other people does not make you a bad person. Masturbation is not bad. It hurts nobody. Consensual sex with other people hurts nobody. It's worth questioning why you're fighting this "horny-self" and why it would be so wrong to go along with it.

in the best mental state of my life and everything is just better

Are you? Because you later go on about how you're getting up at 4am and taking ice baths every day. That doesn't sound like motivation, it sounds like a fear of failure. The two are not the same. It sounds like you're extremely harsh on yourself and holding yourself to unreasonable standards. If you're genuinely happier like that, great. But it still sounds like you're fighting with yourself to reach an impossible standard (whilst also expecting an impossible standard from a potential partner)

works on his project to try to make money on internet through helping to do the same for other men like me

That's....that's literally a pyramid scheme. You're literally in a pyramid scheme.

There isnt anything better that could ever happen to me than RP

Well, it might have been better if your motivation for self improvement hadn't been driven by hatred. You could have learned that women generally aren't attracted to men who get up at 4am to sit in ice baths and spend all their free time at the gym and pushing pyramid schemes. What you'll soon find is that actually, all of what you've done has probably lowered your chances of finding a partner, and you'll probably find there are even less women interested in staying with you than there would have been if you'd instead learned about what women actually look for in a partner and how you could have become that without putting yourself through so much struggle.

TopIncrease6441 · 2023-07-13T22:03:55+00:00

There’s more to the story than what you’re telling. You having preferences is not a problem but when you say that people hate on you for it there’s going to be a reason why and I can bet that the reason is because you believe everyone should be doing what you do and that you’re better than them because of it.

I agree with another commenter, you do come off as full of yourself. Talking about aspects of yourself like being physically fit and taller is not an issue but when you add that you can get anyone you want at the snap of a finger, yea that definitely tells me that there’s alot more to the story than what you’re letting on.

Like another reply said, you can get all the things you’ve gotten without redpill. Ever since I was fifteen I was obsessed with motivational videos from people like Oprah and David goggins, hustle and grind culture, and just overall self improvement. However I never even ventured into the redpill space because I didn’t see it. The only time I started to see it was in the past two years on tiktok and that’s only because the people I follow do commentary on social issues and misogyny is one of them.

I personally am not having sex until marriage, not just for religious because I decided this even before I really got into my religion, but because I study sex and intimacy and I want to build that with the person who chooses to be my partner. I have never once gotten backlash over this decision by anyone. Why? Because I’m not launching statistics to make people feel like ish for not doing what I do. I simply live and let live.

You CHOSE the redpill space for another reason. Not self improvement. You can list out all the benefits you got from it that you could’ve gotten elsewhere but your entrance into redpill is just like you stated in the post. You hated women because your were insecure. That’s exactly the difference. Redpill is primarily a woman hating space with a couple extras added like fitness and finance advice. However those are not what it’s built on and you know this.

Fin.

AssistTemporary8422 · 2023-07-13T22:31:41+00:00

I consider myself RP for about a year now and I am not kidding my life has never been better.

RP made your life better but its time that you take things to the next level by integrating a more science-based view of dating and mental health in general.

I used to hate women for them liking men who have abs, are tall ect

But for most people they become angrier at women because of RP. Just look at the title of most RP videos. The vast majority are about how women are bad in some way and yet these content creators claim they aren't needy for women when its obvious they are obsessed with them and quite upset.

I am looking for a feminine woman

What specific feminine traits are you looking for?

Its not that I hate these women it is just that, that I know statistically that there is a bigger chance we both will be happier in that kind of relationship

The problem with these statistics is religious communities are more likely to be virgins before marriage so we don't really know if being virgins had anything to do with it.

I believe that sexual intercourse is something very special and soul-bonding that I shouldn’t waste it on short-term pleasure

Actually your first time having sex will probably be bad sex that is kinda awkward. And then when you are with someone a long time the sex gets kinda boring. Sure that soul bonding sex happens sometimes but its rare. Most of the time you are horny and trying to get off. And sadly porn is often better than real sex.

Does Ice baths in 0 degree celsium

Ice baths aren't worth the discomfort.

reads

Depends on the reliability of the books and whether you are actually applying them.

works on his project to try to make money on internet through helping to do the same for other men like me and so much more

Ecommerce is oversaturated at this point. I got a programming degree and earn six figures working from home 4 hours a day. Don't underestimate normal education and careers.

eats junk food and is in depression (I was literally crying myself to sleep at 4am) because I "fried" the dopamine receptors from indulging in all of this shit

Depression don't purely come from dopamine desensitization. If you had some bad experiences in the past thats what caused the depression and the depression caused the bad habits that made the depression worse. Therapy and self-improvement are the best answer here.

I don’t even have instagram or anything and I want to have the same from my woman

Fresh and Fit have instragrams and social media is a big way that couples meet nowadays. If you like taking pics and sharing them then insta or snap are for you. Otherwise you can skip them. And no women aren't all cheating on their partners with people who are messaging them on instagram.

Another problem you have is you are so focused on work and being serious that maybe you are forgetting about having fun. Being successful in socializing and dating is all about having fun and vibing with people.

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Date	July 13, 2023 7:20 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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