What are your views on this?

duhhhh · 2019-10-14T13:10:12+00:00

Rape and domestic violence are not very gendered issues. Court privelage is way more of a gendered issue.

mtcapri · 2019-10-14T18:56:08+00:00

The problem described is obviously a real problem and deserves to be addressed. However, as the article itself notes, in 67% of the cases, this does not happen. Articles like these make me worry that authorities will revise the family court system to make it even harder for men to have access to their children, when we're already dealing with a biased system.

The only people anyone cares about are women. A minority of women can be suffering next to a majority of men, and society will attend to the women, even as it exacerbates the suffering of men. Feminists have proven themselves profoundly selfish and sexist in their advocacy for women over men in such instances, so I'm having a hard time understanding why I should give a shit about women's suffering, when men are suffering too on a related issue, and it's highly likely that addressing the women's issue will make the men's issue worse. I don't like that gender politics plays out so in such a tribal fashion, but given that it does, as a man, why should I prioritize women's tribe over men's?

We could address both these issues if those in power had any incentive to do so, but they don't. I have little doubt the UK will make it even harder for men to access their children, based on these statistics.

Also, can anyone verify these statistics? Are they based on actual confirmed cases of abuse during child visitation or just complaints from mothers?

Blauwpetje · 2019-10-14T14:42:49+00:00

The words in which this is stated are so vague and general it is impossible to judge. 'Sexual abuse' while picking up the children? Where and when? 'Emotional abuse'? Calling her names or what, and in what context? Figures aren't mentioned, it is all 'thousands' or 'all too often', let alone if it is especially men doing this. Of course, I have seen far too often women cry wolf at 'horrible' things men do, so the author may have a point, but if so, that needs a clearer and better story.

Melthengylf · 2019-10-14T22:59:33+00:00

Yes, this happens. But a court both needs to know about abusive behaviours and not let abusers use children to control their partners, and do not pressume that (the man) is abusive in a divorce conflict. I mean, some things do not exist, for example "parental alienation syndrom" (it is very easy to check if a child was genuinly abused in a Gessell camera). That said, there needs to be a balance between checking that abusers do not have access to their children and partners AND the issue that it is important than both men have custody.

Abuse is not something imprecise and random. It has a precise pattern. Just to put an example, it usally involves isolation of the victim. Judges need to both know deeply about how abuse works to know both what IS and what ISN'T abuse.

Title	What are your views on this?
Author	Strikester101
Upvotes	3
Comments	12
Date	October 14, 2019 12:30 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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