Are hookers worth it?

victor_knight · 2016-08-07T11:58:44+00:00

Society has programmed men to be subservient to women in many ways. One way is that men are not "allowed" to enjoy sex unless the woman is also enjoying herself. Just like a man is not "allowed" to be happy unless his wife is happy. I don't know about you, but I have managed to deprogram and unlearn that shit. Especially when I'm banging a hooker. If she's enjoying herself too, then fine, but I don't care about her enjoyment any more than I would a waitress who is paid to bring me food.

MaterialMaverick · 2016-08-07T12:16:04+00:00

Sex with hookers never competed with any real time I've had sex with a girl who was fucking me because she was attracted to me, or found me charming/funny/confident, etc, or a mixture of both. Because they enjoyed it, and i enjoyed that they enjoyed it, and it was great.

How do you tell the difference between women faking enthusiasm (or stroking your ego by pretending to enjoy sex) and those who actually enjoy it?

I agree with most all MGTOW principles and the ideas it promotes but, i just dont find the reality of replacing sex with regular women with hookers, to be worth it, even with the time saved and all the bullshit you avoid. What i was wondering is, is that a common experience for those of you who actually have replaced most of your sex life with escorts/hookers? Or did the 4 i banged just really suck? How do you deal with it? do you get used to it? do you guys not care if the girl enjoys it and you enjoy it anyway?

Some men enjoy the female validation more than the physical sensation of sex. There are plenty of enthusiastic hookers (look at reviews on TER/411 if you don't believe me) but it obviously isn't genuine.

The modern SMP is a brutal place and not all men get to experience genuine female sexual attraction. Hookers are a step up from nothing for a lot of these men (go look at testimonials on /r/hookers for some positivity regarding losing v-cards to whores).

Morranaii · 2016-08-07T13:52:18+00:00

Taking this post at face value (ie not thinking it is a troll) I can only conclude that your four times were with unreviewed providers, or you didn't bother doing your research before you dropped several bills.

Sexual enjoyment is subjective. However, as there are things you can't do with an escort (unprotected sex is a big one) that you can with a committed partner, in theory you could argue that the sex isn't as good. Personally I have protected sex with everybody I sleep with, because an STI is forever <sup>tm</sup>

Blowjobs are also often better. The first escort I visited happily hung her head over the side of the bed and let me fuck her face. Even with the most submissive sex partners in the civilian world, I could not do that.

Are hookers worth it? That's up to you. I am fond of saying two things: hookers are cheaper than a divorce and if you aren't addicted, cheaper than a girlfriend. It's not cheaper than any relationship where you happen to be getting more sex than nagging / paying, but TBH if we are in a mgtow channel, we all know where such relationships go. I'm bored. I'm tired. Not tonight. I fucked Chad. I brought home a baby and now you have to pay for it.

You pay escorts to go away. No drama, as long as you do your homework. No free lunches.

broeddy · 2016-08-07T13:44:13+00:00

I'd recommend not going all the way with the professionals each time. I rarely go the whole way nowadays. Instead, I'd suggest looking for pros that offer great massages that end in bbbj. These are great for relaxation and you get great value after you're done w/ the sessions, instead of the empty feeling you get with a crappy session that went all the way.

Glocks10mike · 2016-08-07T14:51:08+00:00

You're doing it wrong. I had a threesome with 2 hookers and it was the best sex of my life. I think the secret to this is to do it in a brothel where there are multiple girls to choose from so you can gauge her attitude before you get started, pay her what she wants, don't haggle, make it clear you will tip at the end if you have a good time, ask her what other girls at the brothel she would enjoy partying with or had enjoyed partying with before.

cynicalsimon · 2016-08-07T20:33:07+00:00

hookers are indistinguishable from girlfriends. your ego, your dick, your pride will find it pleasurable. it will only be not pleasurable if you perceive it that way.

Anteface · 2016-08-07T11:58:48+00:00

It's not worth it. I can't say enough of how fucking more hookers than I can remember has damaged me. It's not normal and it's not generally pleasant. Only people I can see enjoying this are Autists and sociopaths. The ones that have given me enjoyable sex were extremely rare and I suspect they were nymphomaniacs or had some mental illness.

Then there's the hole issue of diseases which just makes it even a worse deal.

It got to the point where I started seeing women as objects that take my money and sex was so mechanical I started getting off on inflicting them discomfort and pain. Coming out of trance while fucking a hooker is a terrible thing too.

hollybegin · 2016-08-07T13:10:43+00:00

The Downvote Brigade worked super-hard on this one.

Benny757 · 2016-08-07T15:13:35+00:00

I feel pretty much the same way. I got to the point that I avoided intercourse with the hookers, but got hand jobs and oral sometimes without a rubber. This got them more active in the situation. At the same time I could explore more of their body, etc.

oldredder · 2016-08-07T16:56:36+00:00

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oldredder · 2016-08-07T20:04:47+00:00

not always: depends on price, other conditions and what you'd like to do instead.

Random women from bars can be crazy, nasty bitches who will tear your life apart for the slightest insult or lack of giving in to her entitlement.

If you want to avoid that and have sex then hookers are the price. There's other ways to get safer women for sex but they are all very time-consuming.

When you know how to convert time to dollars & back then you know what makes sense for where you are, who you are, what you earn.

EDIT: constantly fixing my retarded spelling and grammar mistakes.

At least you're trying. Apparently I'm the only person with spell-checking automatically running in my web browser. I thought this was standard.

Sex with hookers never competed with any real time I've had sex with a girl who was fucking me because she was attracted to me, or found me charming/funny/confident, etc, or a mixture of both. Because they enjoyed it, and i enjoyed that they enjoyed it, and it was great.

I'm not sure this is true but I am sure no matter how good sex can be it isn't worth the evil shit women do. There's one way only to stop that and it's to ensure you avoid all the women who do pull that shit.

Corvvs · 2016-08-07T11:52:39+00:00

Similar (albeit limited) experience with pros. Too much like the post office. Have only tried brothels, not the more expensive escorts. Would consider it for a more convincing experience.

Honestly though, just fap. Buy a fleshlight for the cost of 1 whore (or less) and get some good porn (VR is just starting to take off, something to think about). Spend that saved $ on a deep tissue massage and steak, or don't.

paperlion60 · 2016-08-07T12:50:04+00:00

It's definitely an ego thing. I haven't really had sex with a lot of women but i know the feeling of making a girl feel good. It makes you feel good and you get off from someone having that feeling because of you. I do not think there is anything wrong with feeling that hooker sex is different. The problem lies in disappointment. At some point or points(if you dont get over it now; wanting to please women), you will be dissapointed when you realize some of them are using it against you.

EDIT:have to haven't

JPDG · 2016-08-07T14:18:00+00:00

I got a vasectomy and have a couple girls I hook up with pretty regularly. I don't go on dates and I spend as little on them as possible. They don't spend the night (or I don't). It's the best of both worlds.

Zombocom1911 · 2016-08-07T18:26:21+00:00

But this is directed toward men who actually put this into practice. Does the sex suck? I've used hookers about 4 times, and each time it was stiff awkward sex, and the hooker clearly acted like it was a job to get over with and barely pretended to enjoy it. I don't get turned on if the girl isnt turned on. Which is why the girls in porn are pretending to have a wonderful time instead of staring deadpan at the camera like a lifeless doll. Men get turned on when the girl they are fucking is going wild from pleasure. Sex with hookers never competed with any real time I've had sex with a girl who was fucking me because she was attracted to me, or found me charming/funny/confident, etc, or a mixture of both. Because they enjoyed it, and i enjoyed that they enjoyed it, and it was great.

YES! As a man who has been with hundreds of pros, your questions are 100% correct, and these are very important considerations to worry about!!

These are very important questions, and I honestly don't understand how anyone could have fun in that kind of situation where its just about using her body and not caring if she is enjoying it or not.

I am here to testify, the ones you banged really sucked!!! What you describe is a common bad experience... Or, another way of saying it is, either they weren't open to having fun with you and just watching the clock (usually happens with lower class whores, like at the red light district in Germany), OR you just didn't have good chemistry. You need to realize that you aren't going to have good chemistry with every prostitute for a wide variety of possible reasons. I am here to tell you if you find one who you truly click with, all of the concerns you have listed, WILL be totally satisfied.

mgtow_taway · 2016-08-09T00:46:38+00:00

I agree that traditional hookers are often bad. However there are decent alternatives like sex tourism to places where you can get great girlfriend experiences or sugar daddying

Morranaii · 2016-08-07T12:42:55+00:00

let's be real: if you were forced to have sex with random people, would you be able to feel genuine desire to every one of them? even as a man you would not.

women don't act like us in regards to sex. if their emotions aren't engaged, their bodies aren't engaged TOO.

she can have sex with you, but there is a small chance she will enjoy it or want it - I mean, think about it.

that's why we are on the lose, every time. even with hookers.

maybe if you will find someone who will find you genuinely attractive, and pay tons up + extras, then she can enjoy it... or be a "regular". but again, this doesn't make much sense either - you spend TONS of your hard earned money.

DigitalScetis · 2016-08-07T16:02:25+00:00

A common misconception with these kinds of professional services is that the money acts as a substitute for the client's effort. And yes, a client will get off, but she won't be enthusiastic about it in the process of doing so. It is a subtle tell on her part that she would much rather the client find someone else.

You've got to remember that a whore is still a woman, and a woman wants to be seduced by a man; she wants to matter, and she wants--desperately wants--to be seduced by her clients' genuine, masculine appeal. She wants to be treated nicely; she wants the gifts, the nice dinners, the asking, the seductive appearance, the humor, the witty repartee, everything you would do for a girlfriend. She wants the client to 'game' her (as best as the client can) and the fee is no substitute for the client's enthusiasm.

I tend to think of the fee as not for services rendered; I look at the fee as a way for her to overlook my flaws.

The real problem the whore is trying to rectify for you is the problem of tolerances in today's mating game. As the PUAs know, today's woman is so demanding, one small "beta tell" or one mistake, and you get nothing from her but a block on Tinder. The fee to the professional is so she can overlook these flaws, but make no mistake, the client still has to try.

Now at this point you might be asking yourself, "Scetis, if I was any of those things the whore wants, and I had good game, I wouldn't need whores to get laid. I would be able to get laid on my own."

I never said it had to be Roosh or Roissy-level game, but a professional wants her clients to at least try to make it easy on her by being funny, romantic and easy on the eyes. Her ideal client is the one that she actually wouldn't mind screwing without the fee (although she'll never tell him that), because that client doesn't make her feel like a whore; he makes her feel like a dignified woman who is worth effort, and not just cash.

The difference between a quick hand job and a sigh, and a noisy half an hour that all the neighbors will be looking at you with envy the next day has a lot to do with what you do, and not how much of a fee you pay. So if you want good experiences with professionals, save up your pennies so you can make the experience excellent for her, buy her gifts (whores like to play dress up), get into the gym and get yourself looking good for her, and spend some money on updating your look. Any investment you make in these areas will go much further in getting the best out of your stable of professionals.

TL;DR: Don't rely on the fee to do the work for you; think of the fee as a kind of surety bond or insurance for your effort to pay off.

Ovendice · 2016-08-07T18:38:41+00:00

If you get caught picking up hookers or caught by an undercover cop posing as a hooker, you'll be forced to register as a sex offender for life.

makeshiftpunch · 2016-08-07T15:38:26+00:00

Rather than finding a way around and compromising. Say no. I only read the title. Unless you are making bank and live in excess. Even then it would still be a waste and a risk.

Title	Are hookers worth it?
Author	Nizz0matic
Upvotes	15
Comments	134
Date	August 7, 2016 11:27 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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