Are they even worth trying?

belhaj7 · 2016-12-26T17:44:30+00:00

The simple answer is NO. Relationships aren't worth the effort. Don't put a lot of effort, it will be a waste. But if you want to be in a relationship you can do it for the experience.

I was in your shoes and I wasted that time on pua. Although it made me see reality first hand. All that effort and clown plays you have to do just to impress a woman isn't worth it at all. I did it to see what my odds are and I can tell you it's below 1%.

Spend that time on your career and you will thank me later in life.

Example You are trying to get 1000 girls and you get maybe 0, 1 or 2 girls fucked. or you spend that time working for your dreams/career. If you are wealthy you can fuck almost anyone.(prostitutes). Woman are just for sex nothing else. Or if you want some emotional connection that will not last forever. Do what you want but don't under any circumstance get married.

At last, I would like to to suggest this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf9sZqgvMow&t=620s

HIGHLORDOFSHITSTAINS · 2016-12-26T17:31:31+00:00

""Women control their time, argue, don't let them go places, control even their MONEY.""

This is what they do. The truth is looking at you. Right in the face.

""I wanted it mainly because of "companionship"... Wouldn't a dog be better for that? heh""

If you can afford it. Do it. But that means, food, cleaning, commitment. Basically a relationship.. except dogs love you unconditionally.. Unless you stop feeding it.

Also try to fill your time with hobbies or activities with friends, research, reading, writing, working out, schooling, etc. Positive things that ultimately pay off.

-I-Am- · 2016-12-26T18:36:20+00:00

I am so jealous of you. You are so lucky to have discovered this at such a young age.

paperlion60 · 2016-12-26T17:22:33+00:00

This is a copy/paste of what I had in another sub.

Dude you're young, and you are raging with hormones. You say you are not super attractive, based on how you view yourself or how others treat you? I was in your shoes , and believe me when I say it's no fun watching the cool guys getting all the girls and you just stand watching. Get a girlfriend if you can, so you can get experience and not hate women like some on here do.since you are in 9th grade, girls are also just developing so therefore you are at no risk of many dangers they bring later on. But if you find it difficult to get a girlfriend . IT IS OK. As girls today are loose and hypergamous than ever. It's okay to masturbate. But keep it civilized , maybe once every three days. Find a gym and workout. Get strong. Find hobbies, good ones and stick with it.whatever it is you want to do with your life, find an older gentleman going the same thing and ask if he can be your mentor. Read philosophy. Do not under any circumstances talk about MGTOW to anyone . Go to YouTube and watch old videos of Thinking Ape" and all videos of "barbarosa ". Good luck.

Folwart · 2016-12-26T18:36:02+00:00

That pain, the depression, is cognitive disdonance caused by two opposing beliefs vying for dominance. We are constantly bombarded by propaganda telling us what to find attractive, what is 'cool', what we should be doing to 'feel' normal.

The depression can be temporarily relieved by giving in to the propaganda, but it will be a fleeting reprieve. You will constantly be trying to measure up to some unattainable external standard. Now, do not misunderstand me. External feedback should be taken into consideration and our internal standards should be set high, but attainable.

Another path to reprieve is to resist the propaganda. Search for truth, and learn to differentiate between truth and hearsay. Train your intuition by searching within and becoming in timidly familiar with your emotions, bridle them so you hold the reigns. Be skeptical, but keep an open mind, find balance. One should neither be easily swayed, nor excessively stubborn.

Explore the truth for yourself, put information to the test yourself. We have some level of control of our experience here, it happens by attaining dominion over the way we think and thus how we behave. Change the way you think, a change in behavior will follow, as will your experience. Emotion, intuition, is a powerful force that can aid you or hinder you. It all depends upon whether you choose to master it, or let it rule you.

LonelyDalek · 2016-12-26T21:28:15+00:00

Trust me, they're not worth your time. You have all these feelings because your brain is being hijacked by hormones; in current society, where boys are treated as defective girls, and girls' behavior is the gold-standard, if anything goes wrong (and trust me,it will) you'll get the short end of the stick, every single time. When the sex-drive becomes too strong, rub one out- easy solution. You are a ta great stage in life to start on some wonderful hobbies- I recommend Brazillian Jiu-jitsu or wrestling. Beside being great for health and fitness, you'll make a lot of really good friends. Don't go after girls, trust me- they're not what you are looking for, not what you need, and not what you should have. Worse, they are the exact opposite of all that. Now is the time to focus on your studies, and plan on having a well-paying career.

truthserum23 · 2016-12-26T17:32:36+00:00

You're ahead of the curve at 17, but you should experience the joy and sometimes guilt of sex. Explore it as much as reasonably possible without making yourself too vulnerable to female manipulation. That's all it's really about, enjoying life's pleasure without being controlled by the pussy, but rather controlling your emotions so that you do not become a slave to it.

logophiliac · 2016-12-26T18:01:23+00:00

You're good to GYOW, young man. Indeed, this would be my own advice--no woman is worth the risk that you might find happiness with one (you won't). If you choose to ignore this infallible wisdom, just remember that you can never go home again.

Eyes_Of_The_Dragon · 2016-12-26T18:01:56+00:00

No. They look at what you can provide.

nigelh · 2016-12-26T20:28:55+00:00

Use your eyes and ears to see what goes on around you. Watch your friends try relationships. See what happens to them. Then decide if you want to risk it. Just remember AWALT. It wasn't just that your friends were unlucky.

gods_bones · 2016-12-26T22:21:34+00:00

I feel so sorry for you breeders. Me, I've never been happier

Cant you take your depression and your lack of desires and cancel them out by finding stuff to actually be interested in? You're 17 so you haven't even really explored what's out there to occupy your time. And if you still can't find anything ... all men love video games.

topo_5000 · 2016-12-26T23:45:54+00:00

At 17 your natural desire is to have sex and have sex a lot. You will have this urge for quite sometime. So first, don't feel guilty, or ashamed, or afraid of how you feel. Your desire to have female companionship is totally natural and wonderful. There are those out there who have set traps for you to fall into as you progress towards satisfying your deep sexual desires with women. Those desires are needs, and not something that can be ignored or played down as something unimportant. Your sexuality, sex life, and it's satisfaction is who you are. Since your urge for sex is so powerful it may be easy for you to be lured into traps that, set by others for their own benefit, and not yours; will ultimately lead to your pain and suffering.

Just be aware that you and only you have the right to decide what's best for your life. Look at women as a tool, or something as a vessel for babies to be made in, and for the care of small children. Have respect for them and the reproductive power that they have. You are equal to them, but as a man, you have been gifted with the ability to reason and lead. Women are dependent on you for their survival. Realize that you have self worth and you are important!

Go out and have relationships, go out and have fun, and do what you want and what feels right for you no matter what people say. Satisfy your urges and desires without mercy. Just don't hurt anyone, (especially yourself) on your journeys. Take your time and don't allow anyone else to control you. You have what it takes inside of you already to be whatever you want. Only you can give that special power away. Women either make your life better or worse. So when dealing with them ask yourself what she's doing.

If you decide to take on a girlfriend or a wife you better be prepared to be the most dominant bad ass motherfucker out there should someone cross the line toward fucking with you. Every last swinging dick in your community better know that should they even think twice about looking at your girl or talking to her that they'll end up as Swiss cheese and that you'll fucking destroy their lives should they ever fuck with you. If you don't, then your wife or girlfriend will leave you at best, or at worst stay with you and never respect you.

victor_knight · 2016-12-27T06:11:58+00:00

No, it's not worth even trying. Take it from us. We've been there.

embaira · 2016-12-26T21:38:20+00:00

I would assume at 17 both you and them just want to fuck. If I were you I'd hit the gym to increase your chances of fucking them. Newbie gains are very fast and almost any exercise with moderate weight will work given you rest/eat well. If you got big enough legs, just focus on upper body at first. In a relationship don't ever invest emotionally, don't chase them or let them control you. Don't buy supplements - it is a waste of money. After sex they think they got you on a hook, prove them wrong.

Zawiar · 2016-12-26T22:16:50+00:00

Freedom > "Love"

verynormalsimple · 2016-12-26T22:51:10+00:00

While a lot of MGTOW will tell you "no, they're not worth it" I advice that you should still learn from first hand. BE CAREFUL THOUGH ! Since you have no experience you need to read The Predatory Female (in TheRedPill subreddit) and refer to your country's laws for possible liabilities.

What I'm going to say it's not very MGTOW but I think every man should at least once have a relationship to confirm by themselves, I'm not telling you to marry, just a short relationship (a couple of months is enough, more than a year is too much). That's because you owe to yourself to put in doubt anything that anyone tells you.

wordjedi · 2016-12-27T00:14:58+00:00

When I was a young guy, even though I was a giant dork, I had a girlfriend who fucked me a whole lot. Sometimes every day. What I learned was that pussy is not magic. Young guys don't want to believe, but it's true. Even if she's hot, you will get slightly bored with sex every day (assuming you ever have that).

After that I was much more skeptical about women. Gold diggers (broke working class chicks, single mothers with shit jobs) really stood out to me. Hot chicks are always hard because of the competition, but average looking broke girls are a fucking joke. Why would you clean out your savings and ruin your future just to put your dick in something?

tl;dr It's getting harder to do for average guys, but if you can fuck somebody until you're bored with her, it will really de-pedestal the pussy for you.

AdolfSchmitler · 2016-12-27T00:56:29+00:00

Nothing compares to personal experience. If there's a girl out there you'd like to date, ask her out. Treat her well, see what happens. Otherwise you might always wonder. But don't forget the warnings, and always protect yourself. Godspeed.

kuhlhandluke · 2016-12-27T02:20:32+00:00

y'know, when you're younger, it takes a rare, rare soul to actually take an elders advice truly to heart. it's a mix of being naive, curious, horny...whatever. you do what you want kid, but don't say you weren't warned.

the juice ain't worth the squeeze. you already know it, but i guess you don't really KNOW it.

gundahir · 2016-12-27T02:30:48+00:00

Short: no. Would recommend to wear protection and fuck one though just to have done it and know what it is about. You will then know forever that it is not worth it as you dont need to wonder about how it is.

2016-12-27T04:03:17+00:00

When I reached this point of no desire and saw the ways of which I was lied about especially with women. I looked into the Buddha's teachings. His teachings aren't a religion but more of a psychological manual as to how to let go of the ways our mind clings and attaches to things in life. And learn to appreciate the simple pleasures that exist.

With women today most aren't very evolve to want sex in moderation or anything like that. They seem to be very influenced by their cravings and desires. For this is the reason why Buddha saw it necessary to not get into relationships to focus on the control of one's own desires. And to use moderation with the small pleasures in life.

The more we experience something and feel pleasure from it and want to experience it more and more the less we will be able to enjoy simply being alive.

miaouing · 2016-12-27T04:28:43+00:00

It's a personal thing. Nobody can truly tell you if your experiences with relationships will ultimately be a good investment. However, for me personally, I am very content single and consider relationships with women I've met to be equivalent to self-harm. I want good things for myself so I don't go putting my happiness in the hands of others. Doing that is gambling with your mental health and self esteem.

Still, I do hold a vague hope of meeting an honest and emotionally intelligent woman who I click with. Call me naive but i believe in the NAWALT. Same for anything in life, there's always going to be exceptions. People are complex.

Just keep your values and never let them change who you are and (hopefully) love. Also, avoid, avoid AVOID lefty feminists and SJWS. Lots of these women around, especially with online dating. It's a plague and you should be sure to keep away.

angryomlette · 2016-12-27T05:30:30+00:00

Are relationships even worth trying?

No. Female nature is definitely corrosive to men. But denying your own nature can also be equally dangerous.

So I would suggest to pump and dump girls for a while. Use women if you have to, just don't be emotionally dependent on them, because that will be handing women your weakness on a golden platter. Just make sure you are careful in tying the loose ends after dumping them, that way they can't get back at you.

As for companionship look for like minded, strong willed men whom you can hang-out with. That will help you a lot in your future and maybe to live your life the way you want. While having a dog can only help you to some extent, isolating yourself from the society will drive you insane.

WestwordWinds · 2016-12-27T05:56:47+00:00

It's not possible to give a correct answer to this question. How you might value a relationship compared with how another may value relationships isn't interchangeable. Don't listen to anyone's advice on a question that calls for a subjective answer--especially from strangers. They don't know your values. You should be open to experiences and knowledge. This will lead to wisdom, and with wisdom you will find your ideal place in the world. If your path involves heartbreak or disappointment, then try and accept the trials which you must face. MGTOW may not be for you, or it may be perfect, but without experiencing the life experiences that push you toward going your own way, you will be out of place. You may read and watch all you want, but knowledge isn't the same as wisdom. Knowledge is knowing that Frankenstein wasn't the monster. Wisdom is knowing that Frankenstein was the monster. Don't use MGTOW as an excuse or a guise. Don't avoid relationships, but don't expect them to complete you. And if and when you learn that you are all you need to be happy, you will tread the path of solitude without reservation.

owq · 2016-12-27T04:59:17+00:00

Are drugs worth trying?

Even though my ex had many issues and I knew it, I kind of overlooked it because of my "in love" state and was willing to give her a chance. I was very lucky that she broke up with me. I don't know if I'd have broken up with her. No sexual attraction involved btw. It was also about companionship. After the fiasco, I realised she gave me nothing that I couldn't get elsewhere.

The real danger is finding that "special woman". How do traps work? They work best when you don't know it's a trap.

Title	Are they even worth trying?
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Date	December 26, 2016 5:14 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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