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[–]DarkestJ43 points44 points45 points (20 children) | Copy Link
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Blue pill men are "the enemy"?
I grant you, White Knights are the enemy. I don't see Blue Pill men as anything but a neutral herd of cattle.
What do you have against the herd?
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The biggest & sharpest knife in my back wasn't placed by my ex-wife. But by my sister(4yrs younger). A year ago, I couldn't even fathom the hell my autistic sister would unleash on me. I sacrificed time, energy and money over the years showing her how much I loved her no matter what. Blood is thicker than water, right? Guess what it got me?
I will release the story on MGTOW very soon. However, don't forget the minute you trust a woman is the minute you give up control of your life. Partner, sister, mother... It doesn't fucking matter.
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Basically, everyone but you guys, amiright?
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Or MGTOWers doing it because it's lucrative. ;)
But you can call me a beta-shit fuck if it makes you feel more superior. The paychecks come either way.
[–]oldredder4 points5 points6 points (17 children) | Copy Link
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Yes, it is. You seem to be under the impression that there's a fair way to earn a living in this world. There isn't. Nothing is fair. To gain, someone must lose. Everytime.
This is the way it all works. You can believe what you want to. I'd wager I've seen more of this world than you have. Perception is reality.
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You're naiive. Everything you have, even the internet access you use to communicate via reddit, is the result of someone (or something) losing.
You want proof? Consider basic Thermodynamics. Specifically, the law of conservation of energy. There's no such thing as a free lunch. Never was. The country you live in wouldn't exist without men like me. You could very well be someone's slave right now.
Meh. I don't care if you understand this or not. It's a volunteer force. We wouldn't be in this line of work if we weren't paid.
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Lol. From the start, eh? Revolutionary war? Whichever war started your country, if it isn't America? No necessary battles EVAR, right? Everyone living peacefully. People can shit out as many kids as they want. It doesn't matter. Limited recources? Psssht. All will be provided. Like mana from God.
Go smoke some pot and sing kum-bay-ah, hippie.
Fuck, this is actually pretty hilarious.
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Ah, but then you see, you NEED someone to put me/us/them into the gas chamber. And that someone won't risk their life for free. Paradox!
Outlaw guns while you're at it. Jackass. Utopia, here we come! If only we could get rid of the soldiers.
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No manipulation? But that's capitalism. You're basically saying anybody who uses advertising isn't making an honest living. Or anyone who capitalizes on holidays to sell their wares isn't making an honest living. Hell, even those who rely on hunger to get a better price/profit. The bastards!
What about those who get put out of business, perhaps because their successful competitors found a way to make a product cheaper (cheaper labor, cheaper materials, more efficient, what have you)? I suppose you'd say they lost fair and square... but they still lost; I'd imagine from their perspective it wasn't fair at all.
Maybe back in the early days of human civilization, when there were far fewer of us, and resources were much more plentiful, could there be a truly 'honest' loving.
But it's a false morality, anyways. There is no objective good or bad. Everything is relative.
But it's good that you still believe in good/bad, right/wrong, honest/dishonest (really, we're talking some pretty deep blue-pill stuff there), because lets face it:
We can't all be wolves.
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True, though there's obviously a self-selection bias in that. I mean people with functional relationships by definition aren't going to be seeking to tell their stories or look for advice in those kind of forums.
So to me, what has been at LEAST as "shocking"... is to visit with some married friends (especially "married with children"); and not just for some "best behavior" hour or two, but spend a whole day or weekend around some "typical" family (one that is ostensibly a "good" relationship, well supposedly well-adjusted kids, etc) -- long enough for them to let their guard down and allow you to see their REAL life as it actually (normally) happens.
In my experience, even THAT tends to be a sort of scary, chaotic, noisy, minefield and random grenade-laden lifestyle, with a shitload of various codependent behaviors, emotional & psychological manipulations, etc.
And just how MASSIVELY different that is from my nice and peaceful (quiet, simple, orderly) life as a MGTOW bachelor.
I've even written threads about that here in the past
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Yup I've had similar experiences -- too many to count -- and the interactions you see when they become somewhat oblivious to you... in other words, the "normal life" well, egads.
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Even with guys I've known my entire life (5 decades plus now), and who I used to (back when we were all single) have long serious discussions with.
Since they're married... the only way to actually end up being able to have a decent conversation with them anymore is to get them ENTIRELY away from wife and family.
Because if you try to talk with them in their home whether by phone or actually WORSE in person, the most you get is probably about 2 to 3 minutes in between various interruptions (if not a direct interruption, then some chaotic event somewhere else in the proverbial "madhouse" -- if *I* had to live like that I think I'd go nuts!*)
If I didn't know better and that the "chaos" is typical, I'd probably start to suspect that the rest of their family was purposefully trying to prevent any longer or deeper discussion (and occasionally since some of it has been about work/technical stuff, well ANY interruption pretty much just destroys the flow of the whole thing, it takes 1/2 hour to cover what you ought to have been able to discuss in 5 to 10 minutes).
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And even then, when you DO manage to get them away, and meet at some bar or restaurant or something -- well, these days, the past decade or so since the advent of texting & even more so the past couple of years with the proliferation of smartphones... that's generally no longer a guarantee either. (I swear, they can't go 15 minutes without getting some damnable text message -- invariably something ridiculously stupid from the wife and/or one of the kids -- stuff that they could have waited to learn about until they got home.)
It's gotten to the point with the one guy that I have informed him he literally has to leave his phone in his car if he wants to see/talk with me -- otherwise not to bother.
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Keep in mind these aren't teenagers or even Millennials who grew up "habituated" to having their smartphones glued to their hands -- these are guys spanning from late 30's to mid 50's in age -- so I know they've lived the majority of their life WITHOUT being on that kind of a "short leash".
* Now granted, conversely and as many of them have told me directly -- if they had to live "alone" like I do -- well apparently that would drive them "nuts" as well.
So from that I take it that they themselves have to be at least partly if not entirely to blame for the disordered chaos of their homes/family life -- because they not only haven't taken charge and forced it to be more orderly -- but apparently they LIKE it that way, and are both uncomfortable and actually "miss" it when it's absent for some reason or another.
And ironically THAT is when they will often call me for a marathon conversation, or want to meet-up with/do something with me -- when the wife and kids are gone for a couple of days -- the silence of their house apparently gets to them, and apparently turning on the TV or radio isn't sufficient... they've even admitted as much.
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