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[–]NaughtyFred13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I don't understand how to read this graph.
[–]recoveringPHPDev22 points23 points24 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
As your looks improve, your personality score improves by a roughly equal amount.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
lol it's incredibly depressing. I know ok cupid and other dating sites are shallow medium by design, but damn, to me this much of a correlation is pretty damning regardless.
edit: but like others have already stated, we need to accept that this goes both ways. Most men are willing to overlook serious personality flaws if a woman is attractive, so it really is more of a human nature thing imho.
[–]The_Stumper3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
edit: but like others have already stated, we need to accept that this goes both ways. Most men are willing to overlook serious personality flaws if a woman is attractive.
Not to put too fine point on it but in the male case I think men know the personality isn't there.
They just don't care.
[–]HomoSapiensNemesis2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
nature thing
This. A thousand times, this.
Psychology is all about Biology. Especially sexuality. Understand the base biology behind it, and you will comprehend the drives behind human sexual behaviour. Indeed, most behaviour.
We are just animals with a few specializations. We were unthinking creatures driven by primitive urges for countless millennia long before the first hominid asked 'Why?"
[–]vedanapatchayatanha0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Couldn't agree more
[–]smegma_toast0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm a psychology major (yeah I know I don't know shit yet), but my social psychology textbook mentioned that what women say they want and what they actually want are very different things. In fact, the one thing that makes both genders attracted to one another is only physical attraction.
It was pretty depressing to read but I kinda already figured that was the case. I know that most people are in denial about it that though.
[–]2045_revolution0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think a lot of what people say they want they say because they are afraid of losing face for being honest.
We are just monkeys trying to get each other pregnant. But we have to pretend that sense of humor, intelligence, smile, etc are the biggest factors in attraction to avoid coming across as douchebags.
[–]DarkLord0chinChin8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There are no good-looking assholes
There are no ugly sweethearts
[–]raven9827 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's basically showing that peoples perception of personality is complete bullshit and heavily dictated by attraction.
It's the reason an ugly guy can do or say something and a girl will describe them as a creepy and socially awkward and a hot guy says or does the exact same thing and he's exciting, funny and mysterious.
[–]Mtgowbob0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Look up the Halo Effect. Your first paragraph sums it up.
[–]bricardo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Each point indicates the look and the personality. Better looks=better personality, apparently.
[–]realpra 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This not hypergamy though, its just superficiality.
Hypergamy is when they use men for resources and drain/discard them in the process.
[–]MajorBeef240 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah this isn't hypergamy. It's a part of human nature. It applies to men also and isn't just looks influencing perceived personality, but also personality influencing perceived looks. We all know how much confidence and class can boost perceived looks in men, and how much niceness, playfulness, and a certain type of craziness can boost it in women.
However, I don't think we'd see such a near-perfect correlation between the two if looking only at men's evaluation of women. Still a strong bias but not an all-encompassing one. Here we see good-looking men as being incapable of having bad personalities and visa versa. Based solely on personal experience (so may very well be wrong), men separate looks and personality much better. We rate some girls (many, in fact 😂 ) as 8L and 2P, for example. What this graph suggests, and I agree with based on my limited experience, is that women will almost-never rate one value as more than about a third different from the other. Which would mean an 8L guy won't be rated below a 5 for personality, and very rarely below a 6.
Because it works both ways it also means a guy with a charming personality, who is objectively not very good looking, will usually be perceived as hot (or at least, much more so than he is in a purely physical sense).
This is part of why you get hot girls with not-good-looking (but often confident, highly entertaining or charming) men. And good-looking men who nevertheless have bad results with women.
Just my opinion though
[–]CaptainStardust0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You got the last part mixed up. Women judge a man's personality primarily by looks, so a bad looking guy with a good personality will just be seen as disgusting. Personality will not help a guy unless he is already physically attractive.
Men judge women on both looks and personality, so an average looking girl may become better looking to him because they connect on other levels. Women are far more concerned with looks than men, as evidenced by the fact that men have much lower standards.
[–]MajorBeef240 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I didn't mean that looks and personality have a remotely equal effect on each other. Personality has a minor influence on women's perception of men's looks, in my experience. So does money, status, and the opinions of her peers.
But looks do have a much greater influence than the reverse, I agree. I just don't think it's a one-way thing at all. That there is minor influence on looks perception from personality acts as a feedback loop and solidifies this effect IMO. That's part of why it's such a strong effect.
In general, women separate things less well than men do IMO. A female brain has more connections (white matter) relative to neuron count and those connections are longer. Distant, unrelated parts of the brain are directly connected more than they are in men. This leads, IMO, women to be less able to separate slightly- or un-related things and their perception of things is more dependent on their perception of other things. Another good example is the effect of current mood on recolection of past memories. It has much greater effect on women than men IME.
[–]The_Stumper2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Wait, what is this graph saying again?
[–]baconophilus18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Attractive people are perceived to be more interesting and better rounded than less attractive people
Thanks. That clears it up.
[–]wildfireboat3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But will it blend?
[–]baconophilus2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That is the question.
[–]offthebeatmeoff2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This is just the Halo effect in action. I've been reading a lot of psych shit so I'm just happy to throw out a vocab word
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Does it involve the Master Chief getting it on with Cortana?
[–]offthebeatmeoff0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We can only hope that it does.
[–]MasherusPrime9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
If you are handsome, people think you are pleasant personality.
[–]mgtowthrowaway904 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It has been named the "halo-effect" and is a pretty well-researched phenomenon
[–]Happen_On_A_Ciggy2 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Halo effect
[–]sir_wankalot_here4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Women with better personalities are perceived to be better looking. This is assuming that she isn't the size of a fridge etc. This can be easily measured with bargirls and the amount of lady drinks they are bought. The personable one will always get more lady drinks then the better looking one.
With men, it probably works the same way also.
[–]dontrelapsem84 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
can vouch for the men part haha
[–]misterbinny1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hypergamy: the action of marrying a person of a superior caste or class.
So the graph should really be about perceived attractiveness and relative social status. Would Marissa Mayer be just as attractive to you if she were a network administrator working at Yahoo instead of the CEO? What do women think about Larry Page, Phil Knight, and Michael Dell? I am not saying none of these people are attractive, just questioning what the response would typically be.
It is possible that wealthy people tend to carry themselves better, be more assertive, and have more self confidence which could all factor into perceived attractiveness.
[–]CaptainStardust1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is why I laugh whenever guys talk about women being attracted to confidence / humor / etc.
Women are incredibly shallow and visual creatures. They do not care about personality, only about how a face looks. Based on the face, they judge men as either confident or creepy, but that has nothing to do with reality.
As a female comedian said "you can't get raped by a hot guy."
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[–]Flaye20 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's pretty much if you look better you get a free pass, you are associated with better things and you are thought to have a better personality.
[–]sokolske0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What a lovely linear regression, you can tell the chart was made by a beta male or woman because they had hope in humanity that their "personality" would make them more attractive.
That's why they made the personality on the Y axis a dependent variable while looks on the x axis as an independent variable.
[–]Helikzhan0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What it does is it gets to the foundations of human attraction and how baloney like personality is as dumb as preferring vagina over cock.
The vast majority of human attraction is taught. Just not in the way we think. It's a somewhat complicated alchemical process of cues > gratification level > priorities. If we never fuck ugly women we'll never know it can be any good. Versus fucking beautiful women and reinforcing our own programming that beautiful women are all that works.
Summarized this means an average to below average poor man has no shot with a woman he's been raised to desire all his life. Just the same way an ugly woman has no shot at any man who isn't intoxicated. Ugly is actually abnormal / not the mainstream view of what beauty is. People won't eat bugs and they won't fuck ugly people if they can help it because they're raised in those parameters.
[–]victor_knight0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nature has always been about "looks". Your "personality" wasn't going to translate into DNA-building disease resistance or put dinner on the table.
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