I need advice

jasperspaw · 2017-10-27T23:54:49+00:00

There is a surplus of degree carrying job seekers in almost every field of study. Fields that have a shortage of graduates this year may not have a shortage by the time you qualify in 3 years. A lot of people with degrees can't get work in their chosen field, and end up serving coffee or something in retail sales. Get the job, get out of that house(try to find a place where you can give your younger brother a place to get out of the house, too) Get a steady income, and then look at night school. You can still get the degree, and move up to a better position, and you'll have work experience of having held a job, showed up on time, all that you can put on your resume. People look favourably on workers who improve themselves with schooling. If you don't find work in the field you want to earn a degree in, you still have your day job.

A degree is just a piece of paper, the real value is in what you learn. You can become a chef by going to culinary school, or by becoming a short order cook, or by joining the Army as a cook trainee. Be sure you're getting real value for your degree, and the debt that goes with it.

2017-10-27T22:26:45+00:00

Any father telling his son to go into debt is basically giving you godless advice.

From "connecting the dots" lecture on youtube, and the book of Song of Solomon: The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.

Avoiding debt AND getting away from a nagging woman are the definition of happiness and independence. As an American that is the only advice I could possibly give you and still sleep at night comfy.

edit: sp

DWShimoda · 2017-10-27T22:50:17+00:00

Honestly, as long as you are solid on the basics, it should be pretty easy to find a programming job. I actually have never gotten a programming degree at all and have done several programming jobs.

Programming is something you can learn on your own, and quite easily. Also once you learn one language it's easy to learn others (though I find it hard to remember the nice time saving specifics of the languages so I always stick to the tried and true long ways). The key is putting in the time and effort to learn the programming.

davebrain · 2017-10-27T23:41:04+00:00

See if you can get a job. If you can, go for it.

Mr-5-5 · 2017-10-28T00:13:07+00:00

I'm not a programmer...

You should get that job first. That way you will be sure if you like this field of work.

If you make enough money you can move out.

You will get better sleep and less stress than at home so you will be happy.

Later in the future if you like this line of work, you can take long distance courses or go to university.

I don't think you should go into debt. It's too risky.

TheRealBuddhabrot · 2017-10-27T22:51:30+00:00

A degree will probly enhance your expectations for a good job and a higher pay but that's not a necessity. I'd reccomend studying though, if you are doing it for curiosity and science and not only doing it for the degree. It can be a really good experience. I started working right after school but went to university a couple of years later and it was awesome. 10k of debt isn't that much for 3 years. If you really want to study, get a job on the side and make it in 4 years.

EDIT: Considering

Every day is a living hell with headache...

You should definitely make it a priority to move out from home though.

hed_fuc · 2017-10-27T23:52:59+00:00

Have work for pay your uni classes. Win win

probablybluepill · 2017-10-28T03:52:10+00:00

A degree is a ticket required to apply for certain types of jobs, and a CS degree is about more than programming. Without the degree, you'll obviously still be able to find work, since programming is generally quite meritocratic, but there'll be a segment of the job market you're locked out of.

Note that just because you have a degree doesn't mean you'll get those jobs, most people don't, but not having a degree means you can't even apply. Your application will get binned by HR before anybody technical looks at it.

Edit: a degree is only worthwhile in this scenario if and only if you can be confident that you have the natural aptitude to be very good at it and you want in on that segment of higher paying jobs (not everyone enjoys long stressful hours in an office with large amounts of corporate BS)

mrp_1844 · 2017-10-28T13:40:45+00:00

After 1 year I get an assosiate degree of programming.

1 year is not very long.

Why not do both? Why don't you learn programing through the Internet and get the associate degree.

You should also look for local programer groups to network with. You can learn an enormous amount of information from them.

Give up your nightlife for 2 years. Focus on this.

You will not regret it.

jkarovskaya · 2017-10-27T22:37:45+00:00

If you think you can find a well paying entry level programming job that's probably best way, assuming one VERY important factor: Room for promotion.

If you go to work for a small company, you may have to wait 5 or 10 years to get a real chance at moving upwards in pay and seniority.

Typically larger companies will have better benefits, better chance at promotions.

executedigging · 2017-10-27T22:53:26+00:00

I would offer someone $10-15k less per year for a 2 year degree vs a 4 year degree in programming as entry-level. In general, after you have 4 years experience, it would probably be about $5k less. However, if you had exactly the skills I needed, you could negotiate that up. On the other hand, getting me to hire you with a 2 year degree entry-level is a tough sell because there have been people with 4 year degree who have turned out to be useless after 6 months.

ilovecorntoomuch · 2017-10-28T00:14:28+00:00

Worth, unfortunately. Most programming jobs require a post-secondary degree. Not getting one greatly limits your career potential.

mentalidade_logica · 2017-10-28T00:59:38+00:00

If I go for working as a programmer, I can enhance my programming skills and do what works for the job and earn a living. I can also become a senior developer within 3 years and could increase my earning potential.

^ This.

MTGOStark · 2017-10-28T01:00:14+00:00

A degree in a given field was once valuable and could open doors all by itself; today the job market is oversaturated and it's not quite the case anymore. A degree could still help, just not with its status alone. An experienced programmer without a degree is easily better than an inexperienced programmer with.

At least that's for Bachelor's degrees. Master's degrees still open doors, and you learn a lot in the short amount of time to complete one. Many Master's degree holders enjoy PhD level employment, for much less time and work investment. If you do decide to do university, it should be with the intent of earning a Master's.

cyborg_type_darkness · 2017-10-28T00:11:15+00:00

Key question is:

Do you actually have a "knack" (inherent/native "talent" & "passion") for programming?

That is, did you teach yourself any programming or even scripting/coding prior to taking classes? And/or if not that, then did the textbooks and class instruction serve as a sort of "launching pad" for you -- that you took to it like a proverbial "duck to water" and went way beyond the lessons as scheduled, digging in on your own, working on your own little side projects as well as doing the required coursework?

Or, did you merely follow along with the instruction, doing the assignments (even in fact "grinding your way through them" and having difficulty comprehending the concepts)?

-- Did you approach new, seemingly weird programming tasks with relish? (i.e. "Oh, man this looks really kewl! Can't wait to dig into it!!!")

Or did you more or less dread them? (i.e. "Oh gawds, not another one!")

-- If you're ACTUALLY the first sort -- and you have to be BRUTALLY honest with yourself about it -- then quite frankly you'll probably do well as a programmer, regardless of which path you take. You'll doubtless benefit from attending a full 4 year school and obtaining a BS degree; likely learn a lot of things that you might otherwise NOT -- but a lot of the rest of it will also feel like it's booooring even torturous (not because it's too difficult, but because it will be too easy).

On the other hand, if you're the second sort -- then you'll probably need the slow & methodical instruction of a full college degree course; in no small part because you'll NEED the degree to cover/compensate for the lack of that special "knack" (the talent & passion that would allow you to build an independent portfolio of work that can PROVE you have "mad skillz").

Title	I need advice
Author	cyborg_type_darkness
Upvotes	6
Comments	21
Date	October 27, 2017 10:08 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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Do you actually have a "knack" (inherent/native "talent" & "passion") for programming?