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Omnibrad · 2017-05-25T13:44:30+00:00

A man's highest purpose is sacrificing himself for a woman who is modest, faithful, and submissive to him. This is love to a man. To sacrifice for a woman worth sacrificing.

Now show me a modest, faithful, and submissive woman.

SamCasey98 · 2017-05-25T13:46:21+00:00

Go away

mrp_1844 · 2017-05-25T14:20:57+00:00

Love is an emotion. We have learned to control our emotions because the court system and the government are against us.

Benny757 · 2017-05-25T14:41:28+00:00

What movement? There is no "movement" that you refer to. You are being delusional.

Silly goose.

Eyes_Of_The_Dragon · 2017-05-25T14:11:58+00:00

But you do not at all think that men and women need each other

A man needs a woman like a fish needs a bicycle.

I really want to understand how you think.

Only so you can try to convince us to be subservient to women again. Nice try.

Zigora · 2017-05-25T15:19:35+00:00

"Love" is just chemicals being released in your brain.

It hits fast and hard. Basic instincts to sustain your species. It fades, like all chemicals. And then you're left with an unhappy husk of a relationship.

FraterGGNM · 2017-05-25T15:56:03+00:00

Tits or GTFO
MGTOW isn't a movement, its an idea. Movements can be stopped. Ideas can propagate infinitely, providing they have conditions where they are nurtured.
Love is just the broken chemical mechanism that your genes force your hormones into secreting in order to drive you into mating behavior. I say its broken because it it were fit for its natural purpose, it would only drive organisms to reproduction where that is possible. In human beings it is so broken that it can force mating behavior on people where reproduction isn't possible or likely (see pretty much any known sexual fetish, as well as homosexuality and any other deviant sexual behavior).
What you call love is a license that enables you to pick a man's pockets, and nothing more.
So yes, in a sense love exists. But that doesn't mean that an individual man should have anything to do with it.

Slaide · 2017-05-25T13:42:43+00:00

How about posting on your real account if you want to be genuine?

VanDerVaart · 2017-05-25T14:00:31+00:00

Love is designed by capitalism. Women spend about 85% of the money in the consumer economy and so everything is geared towards connecting these women with men who have money and then subsequently spending their husband's money. This is what "love" is. The female nature is to keep her head on a swivel for a higher value mate and so even though current circumstances dictate the mate she is with right now, if he loses his job or his value is removed in some other way, she already has connections to change her life. Love is dictated by the man being strong, the women having no other options, and so it is false. For MGTOW, we recognize that the odds are stacked against us and we simply opt out - you're not required to sit at the table of a stacked game, you can just walk away and this is what we do.

Dzartovian94 · 2017-05-25T14:47:17+00:00

I'll bite.

I don't speak for all MGTOW, this is my personal reasoning behind why I support this lifestyle. I'm a millennial in my early 20s, so my experience in society is relatively short compared to most.

Can you define love? Can you measure it? Can you prove it exists? Can you turn it off and on? Can you validate it?

Love is just a chemical process in the brain that entices the owner to procreate. Love is just an excuse to sap resources from people for procreation.

I have had numerous experiences where friends have been destroyed in relationships because the female; "did not love them anymore". If a women says she loves you, can you prove that she does and can you prove the intention behind it? No.

So if you were to enter into a contract where if your partner chooses not to "love" you, you are swindled, destroyed and turned into a slave, based on a concept that you can't prove or measure or even explain? That is the definition of retarded.

Romantic love doesn't exist, it's a fairy tale. It's a lie that women use as an excuse to trigger male validation so that they give up resources.

scaur · 2017-05-25T13:55:16+00:00

There is no mgtow.

nigelh · 2017-05-25T15:43:03+00:00

Our problem isn't love or even romance. Our problem is the fact that they seem to be very short term phenomena and lead people into making promises that they don't appear to keep. Our position is rather that we see how they work out in practice in the long term in the world around us and we really don't want to go down that path so we refrain from stepping onto the train in the first place.

Dzartovian94 · 2017-05-26T03:19:11+00:00

Sure, you can believe in love an subscribe to your own definition but things change in life.

You will get older and your perception can change. Majority of people in the modern world have grown up with a monetary value system, all they "love" is money and will do whatever it takes to get it.

Sure there maybe so people who have a traditional value system based on principles or morals but the vast majority don't.

I don't think it's worth taking such as a risk with modern people because (this may sound really discriminatory) if they have that monetary value system, they are no better then animals; predators who take what they want and kill their prey.

The vast majority of people are illogical selfish animals. Why would I as a man marry someone who is selfish, egotistical and illogical? Disregard what that would do to me, could you imagine how my kids would suffer?

The vast majority of the world, value illusionary things over people's basic humanity. That is the most disgusting thing I have come to understand. When we die; it won't matter how much money you have or if you are famous or the size of your sex organs, we are really all worthless human beings that try to judge others on things outside their control, that's ultimately why I have no faith in not just marriage but in the people of the world itself.

DangZagnut · 2017-05-25T14:17:24+00:00

Its not so much a movement, it's a philosophy that a number of people are integrating into their lives.

Believe in love? That's the question?

I don't think anyone denies the existence of a feeling. People love things all the time. Hot pockets. Pizza. Ceviche. Rollercoasters. A puppy. Whatever.

How "we" think? We aren't a collective we're individuals. There's no ideology. No debate points.

It's just men going their own way in life to better their lives in the way they feel is important to them, and not according to some specific societal expectation regarding relationships and marriage and such things.

Everyone has their own reasons for doing so. there's no one reason people decide to embrace the philosophy.

zachs_alligator · 2017-05-25T14:52:02+00:00

Nope not at all. I can do everything a woman can do, but much better. I've had 20+ girlfriends and without fail all they do is want things. It usually starts small with flowers, and then graduates to you selling beloved cars to pay for marriage and huge houses. Fuck that noise. I will not sacrifice myself and the life I've built by myself for someone else.

VoxVirilis · 2017-05-25T18:05:45+00:00

Do you not at all believe in love.

There's already a bunch of responses along the lines of "love is just a chemical in the brain to make us reproduce". I won't rehash that although it is in a sense true. But more broadly speaking I do "believe" in love. I think human pair bonding, "love" if you will, carries with it a host of benefits emotionally and psychologically for the individuals who "love" each other. And I think there are benefits to the culture or society that encourages this kind of pair bonding/love among its constituents.

For me at least, MGTOW is the unfortunate realization that the emotional, psychological, and cultural benefits of "love" fail to outweigh the costs. Our society possesses a host of perverse incentives that make it advantageous for members of a certain sex to forego the benefits of "love" in favor of more tangible, monetary benefits. (To the detriment of the other sex) MGTOW is a response to society's perverse incentives. Men decide to deal with a life without love. Not because we want to, but because when we rationally analyze our situation, going our own way is the best option.

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Author	Ida_imasadperson
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Date	May 25, 2017 1:29 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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