After reading some of Milo's responses in his AMA on /r/theredpill i got the impression his advise to average men is to "keep your head down and wait" - whilst people like Milo clear a path through the crazy.
Semi-tangentially I live in a sort of stealth mode and i'm wondering how many others of you are out there?
How many MGTOW's have girlfriends (or even wives) but are aware enough to benefit from some of it's ideals? Like religion, a diluted form of MGTOW is much more palatable to the average John.
I found MGTOW whilst in a relationship (someone posted a link as a reply to an /r/deadbedrooms post i made). MGTOW gave me a lot of things to think about. The posts about female nature made sense (for the most part). The posts about looking out for yourself first had obvious appealed.
However, it didn't make me want to leave my girlfriend but it did make me reassess the division of finances, labour, time and other resources inside the relationship.
I now buy sex when i need it. I ignore my GF's constant complaints and problems and never try and help her fix anything. I tell her "no" more than "yes".
I use her for social situations and status points. She's quite cute and as an IT worker has helped me seem more "normal".
I'm not really a believer in /r/theredpill or any PUA stuff. It all sounds like a waste of effort. When my current relationship ends i would probably avoid another.
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Gawds not this again...
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Listen, if your married or in an cohabiting or even Long Term [serious] Relationship... you're really NOT actually "MGTOW".
You may delude yourself into thinking that you are, that you've learned some of it's lessons and have become "master of your own fate" in that regard, and that no woman is "using" you or your resources... but you really (and I do mean really) are just deluding yourself: the reality of the woman you are hitched to will, some time or another, and probably in ways you don't even realize, end up with your testicles in her handbag (again).
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And that isn't some "elitest" statement... it's just the reality. You can't swim in water without getting wet.
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This. OP claims he is purple pill but he's actually more like an ardent voter who went from screaming "feel the bern" to "hey guise I'm an anarchist now. Just vote for the right guy and we'll get more liberty"
OP, you may know red pill theory but until you dump your girlfriend, you aren't mgtow - at best you delude yourself into thinking you can survive Russian Roulette. Hell you might even survive it - then you'll spout shit like how it's a safe game because you and others who were lucky survived it.
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Hah. I must've been doing a search for marriage related posts. If I can make poast in thread, why not?
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Everyone here that posts under a pseudonym.
Depends on the "in group" of MGTOW you're looking for. The biggest group is divorced MGTOW, and most of them probably have a girlfriend or are looking for one. The second largest group are the MGTOW "Monks", which are either Forever Alone converts, divorce raped men, or the rare married MGTOW preparing for divorce and avoiding the missus. The third largest group are the MRM / PUA / Tradcon MGTOW, and most of these guys are probably actively pursuing relationships.
As for the Ghosting MGTOW, I don't know how many of those guys there are because they're "Ghosting" and probably don't have stable access to the internet because they're out in the woods or living out of vans / off grid residences. Same goes for the "Stealth Mode" or "Bunker Mode" MGTOW, who are too busy working on projects to waste time posting.
Hope that helps.
It mostly is, but social skills can bump you up a point or two in Sexual Market Value.
The important factors in Male SMV are:
1) Money (Approx 65%)
2) Status (Approx 20%)
3) Genetics (Approx 10%)
4) PUA / Social Skills (Approx 5%)
The most important factors in Female SMV are:
1) Appearance (Approx 80%)
2) Age / Fertility / Promiscuity (Approx 15%)
3) Attitude / Social Skills (Approx 5%)
4) Wildcard: Wealth (Approx 100% for gold diggers)
Edit: Though, to be honest, I don't think percentages are the most accurate way to reflect SMV. SMV is multiplicative, and if you score 0 in any of those areas the end result is a zero. Which is why an attractive 9 or 10 can be a zero based on her Attitude / Social Skill or Age / Promiscuity.
Category:
1) 0-10,000
2) 0-1,000
3) 0-100
4) 0-10
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I think that's admirable. You're a smart guy to see through the bullshit on your own without making the same mistakes the divorced guys made.
I don't understand why you remain celibate, though. Religious preference, maybe? Lack of funds or other objection to employing sex workers?
Seems like an unnecessary, self-imposed punishment to me.
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This is why I don't like percentage based scores, multiplicative scores are more accurate.
Also, you highly overrate Genetics when it comes to relationshits.
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Under Money and Status. Evidence:
Johnny Galecki (Short, chubby, ugly)
Not good enough? Let's go extreme:
Kevin James (Obesity)
Verne Troyer (Dwarfism, ugly)
Let's ignore height and weight, how about blindness (glaucoma) and "interracial"?
Ray Charles
Intellectual Disability:
Richard Branson (Dyslexia, "Interracial")
Jon Gosselin (Low IQ)
Age:
Hugh Hefner
Genetics really aren't as important as you think.
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I post evidence that contradicts your opinion and you claim:
Error. Error. Does not compute.
Wealth and Status are not available to 50% of the population. It's concentrated in the outliers, the ones that contradict your opinion, the ones you reject.
I could point out that women prefer Doctors, and Lawyers, and men with education (status) and fame. But that won't convince you, either.
Let's take the opposite tact and try to disprove my claim. You post outliers from the Western world who, because of genetics and without money or status, attract quality women (9's and 10's from high status families).
I'll wait.
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