Why do Leftists, Communists, Socialists, Marxists deny male suffering and female privilege?

ZooonPoliticon · 2018-02-09T20:52:21+00:00

This probably bears repeating:

Hilary Clinton: "Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat"

Source: https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-victims-of-war/

Bottom line is that we have placed them on a pedestal for so many generations that they have come to believe that they cannot do any wrong. And they only see the wrong that is done to them and are blind to others' suffering

0x123d · 2018-02-09T20:47:12+00:00

For the same reason religious people deny evolution. Feels > reals

DesignRed · 2018-02-09T21:12:33+00:00

The thing about Tradcons and people in the Right-Wing is that they may not inherently agree with MGTOW, though the majority of them have an understanding of what men's issues actually are and how taxing the traditional male role of protecting, providing, and sacrifice is and though they encourage men to do it and honor them for doing so (unlike leftists).

If you really think that, you have never seen how the VA treats veterans

Mechnasty · 2018-02-09T21:18:40+00:00

All of these groups are insane including tradcons.

Mgtowthoughts · 2018-02-10T00:41:50+00:00

Lawrence Kohlberg’s study on morality says that women never reach the stage of being able to put themselves in others shoes. Just like kids who can’t understand why their parents won’t buy them what they want or why their dad can’t spend time with them. They just want what they want and aren’t able to understand how it affects others. They are children to sum it up. Same thing applies to leftists. They aren’t able to compete with people who are successful so they bitch and moan for everything to be equal. Most of these people don’t work hard or have never faced adversity so they don’t know what it’s like to suffer or to actually be oppressed. Therefore they can’t put themselves in other shoes, just like women and children.

kaczan3 · 2018-02-10T02:20:04+00:00

Leftists, socialists, etc. are just men acting like women.

ImmortanV8 · 2018-02-09T22:00:00+00:00

Because women do not fucking matter. It is the male that has to be enslaved in mind and body, the females only adapt

2018-02-10T01:02:00+00:00

When you can only categorize the world in material terms of “oppressor” and “oppressed”, you can’t break away from the narrative you’ve chosen without accepting the implications that you were the oppressor yourself.

hardtostarboard2016 · 2018-02-10T02:00:52+00:00

The truth destroys their arguments. Simple as that.

Darth_Bicycle · 2018-02-10T09:14:44+00:00

The left wing has gotten corrupted, but in a different way that right wing has. Left wing used to mean working class. The working class got taken out of the left wing and now it's just a place for academics, feminists and alt-lifestyle freakazoids (Thanks Diversity&Comix). Left wingers today are about oppression, emotion, social justice and feminism. That's why they don't give a shit about men, because men are usually part of the working class that the left has abandoned. So thats why they mock and shame men so much, because deep down they feel a bit guitly for leaving them behind.

Back in the day when the left had something to do with blue collar workers, the academics and feminists couldn't peddle so much crazy shit, because the men wouldn't have had it. For example: How is a transgender bathroom gonna help a guy who is about to lose his job? It's not. But today the postmodernists are running the left, so they can go as crazy as they want to and no one can stop them. So the whole thing is a joke now.

2018-02-09T22:01:25+00:00

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bit_shuffle · 2018-02-10T00:07:40+00:00

You don't understand because you haven't read Marx.

The labor theory of value is pretty straightforward. If you aren't a business owner, if you trade time or labor for money, not being a Marxist, leftist, liberal, whatever you care to call it, is flat out stupid.

In fact, the right, traditionalists, and conservatives are the main source of gender relations problems. Because they refuse to objectively view women in terms of being independent sources of labor value. The whole anti-feminist concept of the right is really a backhanded way of wanting to return to the most primitive male-female dynamic, where women don't contribute economically and are basically breeding stock.

You can't apply critical judgement to women if you reduce them to livestock. Cows get free food, free shelter, and all kinds of perks. Ranchers don't complain about their cows requiring so much labor input. They are taking care of property. If someone's cow gets past a fence and shits on the street, people bitch at the rancher who didn't maintain his fence, not the cow.

And yet an endless stream of posts in this sub fails to call out shitty "playas" who duck out on their daughters, and produce the next generation of golddiggers, and focuses on the useless cows shitting in the street, rather than the lazy men who didn't fucking mind their fences as fathers. Or idiots who thought their chicken wire would keep their heifer on the range.

The fact of the matter is, that shit won't fly in any technologically advanced society. Society needs every pair of hands and every brain doing something to contribute value, just to stay competitive with the other segments of humanity ( other nations, corporations, whatever) in a modern world. Women will be in the workforce, and participating in society, and trying to secure their position in it.

And the cold hard reality is, experience and resources being unevenly distributed, a lot of men are going to find themselves unable to measure up to a lot of women economically. If you are a hick from the sticks who just never had a shot at education, some woman with an Ivy League degree who grew up with better connections is making more money than you.

A conservative would stop the conversation right there and say "that's just the way it is. Deal with it."

A lefty liberal would say "we should be improving educational opportunities and job training for men in remote areas, so rural men can transition to higher value adding work, and that will help society as a whole."

Progressivism works for men, who are open-eyed enough to see what's going on, and have an active rational, discussion, rather than whine as they soak in the self-pity bubble bath of backward-looking nostalgia that is the conservative view on gender roles. It is out of date. The world has moved forward.

If women have some advantage over you by virtue of their gender, you should be a progressive and point out the social inequality. If you got divorce raped, you have two ways to look at it:

Some other human being with capabilities and rights and obligations is taking advantage of you by inequalities in the system, and neglecting their obligations or leveraging their rights to infringe on yours. Society needs to acknowledge the imbalance in the system. .
You didn't manage your livestock carefully and got trampled. Either plant soybeans, or mind your fence better in the future.

Which of those views is progressive/left? Which is conservative/right?

Liberalism/progressivism actually cares about getting the homeless social services, while conservatism is trying to cut services and benefits.

So you whine out one side of your mouth about men being homeless, and condemn the side that's attempting to solve the problem out of the other.

And progressives and leftists are the only ones who will actually look at data if you bother to ever back up a claim that women have disproportionate advantages X Y and Z. Look at the evidence that's being accumulated against the whole Trump family. The right clings to him despite the obvious. Nothing but excuses. Because Trump gives them "good feels."

So your question is really just a vehicle for your self pity and a pathetic plea for validation. You've got the Fox News brainwashing in full effect. Right wing alpha dudes are fucking you, through the tax code, because you look at your own paycheck instead of the bigger picture of who's paying the biggest percentages to keep society running and getting the benefits of the social order. And then you go to their rallies and cheer for them while they do it.

Back in the day, guys joined unions to keep rich fucks from fucking them over. Now they buy Chinese-made trucker hats to back a guy who wants to turn their kids' schools into for-profit businesses, and vote to eliminate the unions that gave them the 8 hour day, minimum wage, and all kinds of worker protections that our grandfathers never had.

The fact is, all of these politically spun whines about women's advantages make no damn sense when framed from the right/conservative angle. If social justice is your thing, then you should stop backing the party that doesn't give a damn about it.

And if you're a conservative, if your cows got off the range, take your life lesson and move on, instead of begging for the rest of the world to fix your fence for you.

Stratahoo · 2018-02-10T10:36:34+00:00

Wrong way to look at it. You're being insanely vague and generalizing by saying all people on the Left think this way.

Not all of them think the same way on any issue.

Your view of people on the Left has clearly been skewed and warped by propaganda and anti-SJW/Feminist videos and personalities on YouTube.

Believe it or not, the vast majority of people who are Left of centre, are actually very decent, rational people.

Rydia4500 · 2018-02-10T17:06:08+00:00

Maxism is about the destruction of the system. The Western system has been mainly built by men. Their goal is to divide men and women, communities and races. Silencing men and those that disagree with them to only allow their voice to be heard and isolate the opposition. Propping up women and disabling and ignoring men feeds directly into dividing and dismantling society.

Lefists basically want socialism. Obviously it incentivizes people not to excel since they can never gain anything for it and their basic needs will be met either way. It NEEDS men to stay and contribute. To do this they need to convince men that there is nothing wrong toiling for others regardless of how they feel. They need to convince people that this naturally right and there is nothing wrong with such a situation so they have to deny male problems and suffering. It is also because of their social justice ideology which says that those who are doing better or have historically done better must suffer to make up for the lack of equality of outcome so there is nothing wrong if men are wronged or suffering. That's why you see women say things like it's fine if innocent men end up going to jail.

I never used to really care too much about politics or anything but things really have gotten out of hand. The values in America are becoming too different. This is why things are getting becoming so divided and debates are so heated and it's hard to see actually discussion of policy. The basic values of each side just aren't similar enough to form a basis of discussion. The civil war was brought on by a difference of values and I worry what the future will bring.

lostapwbm · 2018-02-09T21:58:19+00:00

Why then does it seems like Leftists, Communists, Marxists, etc. deny these things even really exist?

Because men are the oppressor class. No sympathy can be shown for the oppressors. The oppressors aren't even people. That's why Leftists, Communists, Marxists, etc. can do such systematic and inhuman things to others who they have first deemed, in their own minds, to not be human. Don't believe me? Let's go down the rabbit hole together with some feminism.

Feminism allows men to be human.

We Want Men to be Human Too

Our daughters are allowed to be human beings, and our sons are taught to be robotic

The stereotypical sense of masculinity is at war with everything we know about what it means to be human.

If,

Feminism + Man = Human

Remove feminism, and the following proposition must also be true.

Man ≠ Human

Those who accept and internalize the chosen ideology are 'human' and therefore acceptable. Those who do not are inhuman and worthy of destruction. You can take out feminism and plug in Marxism, Leninism, Maoism, whatever you want.

For the totalitarian, the subjects of their benevolent tyranny cannot be human. If we were already human, we would have our own desires and interests that do not conform to their ideology and we would be as justified in our desires as they are in theirs.

nopuritanslivehere · 2018-02-10T06:55:18+00:00

Because of ideology. Ideology shapes their thinking to such an extent that they can’t think for themselves or look at reality objectively.

sidel3 · 2018-02-10T11:32:00+00:00

Glad MGTOW is not about politics.

balancedben · 2018-02-10T06:45:23+00:00

And the republitards and libertarian goons don't? The left and the right both pander to bitches and neither give a rats ass about men and as such men would be best served rejecting the left - right paradigm in it's entirety.

Title	Why do Leftists, Communists, Socialists, Marxists deny male suffering and female privilege?
Author	jason9777x
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Date	February 9, 2018 8:42 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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