Women create nice guys thoughts?

anon_likes_tendies · 2020-07-05T00:25:44+00:00

This is a true story.

Single mothers raise their sons as feminists, nice guys, billy beta etc.

Then those men are baffled when women go for the exact opposite of what they were programmed to be

firstpitchthrow · 2020-07-05T01:17:44+00:00

Here's the worst fucking part: after a certain age, the mind has embraced the programming too much and only very special people have the ability to let go.

That's a reason why so much focus is put on getting people when they're young. By the time you turn 24 or so, the mind has hardened; accepting new ideas becomes more difficult.

I consider myself an idea rat, I want to know and be exposed to as many new ideas as possible. Its what made it easy for me to take men's rights, RP and MGTOW seriously when I was already 35+. Most blue pill guys will stay simps even if exposed to the truth, unless they are younger. Once you hit 25, you mostly are what you are.

All of these men are suffering because what they have been taught about girls their entire formative years is a lie. If that doesn't piss you off, its hard for me to know what will. There is a big difference between the way men are raised and women are raised. Girls have only been lied to recently (men like strong, independent, accomplished women....no, we really don't care about that) and its depressing. Men have been lied to forever, since the beginning of time.

There is nothing wrong with a man who wants to get women, its normal and natural. The human race would cease if it were otherwise. I look back at myself at 10 years old, and I wish I could change the programming. I know that when it comes to women, I am what I am, and its why I eventually stopped reading RP philosophy, not because its untrue, but because chasing women was a lie to begin with, and even if I wanted that, I can't do it. There's no point to RP, in my life.

I try to embrace MGTOW because its really the only option I have left. Its the only option for a happy, productive life. The lie only makes people unhappy. Why do fathers and mothers lie to their children in such a way that will only make kids unhappy?

Sir_manalot · 2020-07-05T00:15:21+00:00

It isn’t just nice guys, men ultimately become what women want.

The men that women do not want her bread out.

dirtwiz · 2020-07-05T00:44:44+00:00

I think there is something in there about making her son be a resource provider even for her.

CertainCrow1 · 2020-07-05T01:08:45+00:00

Yeah it's funny because all these girls on /r nice guys will be teaching their own sons in a few years to act exactly that way and they will have the same frustrations. Not all will act out and get rude when it fails . Some will just take it but some will react the same way

Personally I wouldn't have acted any differently. If someone won't love me for being kind and respectful then that's too damn bad. That's who I am. I knew in my teens you had to be an ahole but want willing to be. Now that's I've been married and been the nice guy she settled for and resented I'll still be a decent human, but not bothering being the beta buxx anymore. I'll do it so I can hold my own head high and nothing else..although I'll say everyone gets treated with the same kindness.. no extra special treatment which was hard not to do just naturally

coffeemancan · 2020-07-05T02:34:27+00:00

I wholeheartedly agree. Women in general give awful advice and you should never ask them for romantic advice.

One other angle of the boys being raised/taught by moms alone, is that children mimic the behavior of their parent. When the only adult figure/parent you have is your mom, it makes sense you'd start picking up predominantly female traits as that's how you see an adult is supposed to act.

rocko20002 · 2020-07-05T01:58:52+00:00

It's one thing to be courteous and polite just for the sake of it, it's another to be the "nice guy" just to be used and abused by girls.

beeguy727 · 2020-07-05T06:31:22+00:00

Nothing turns a woman off more than a man who treats her well.

TempPsychWarden · 2020-07-05T08:38:23+00:00

Yup. A women shoot themselves in the foot and blame men. To correct this, they mold their own offspring to be what they want NOW instead. And guess what? The young women running around are still behaving the same way the mother did when she was their age!

Huh... maybe women are the fucking problem? No, that can't be because that would mean women are fallable and should take responsibility for their shit. Society can't possibly have that.

themenacehimself · 2020-07-05T05:32:14+00:00

Don’t be a ‘nice guy’ but treat everyone with respect. Dont have complete trust in them either. A woman (or anyone) will come and go. If they leave, respect the decision and keep pushing forward. Humans have been fickle in nature since our dawn.

To expect a woman to be completely down for you simply because you treated her with some sort of decency, bought her things, or even treated her like dirt will never solidify her as a companion to the end of both of your lives. You’re setting yourself up for disappointment. Don’t cling to her like you’ll be lost without her but treat her (and anyone) with respect until she proves that you cannot do so. The true colors eventually show themselves. When it’s time to part ways, cut your loss and let it go.

From my understanding of ‘nice guy’ behavior, this is what they fail to understand. They lose themselves in trying to attract and keep a woman, so much that they go to ridiculous lengths only to come out of it bitter and hurt.

We’re force fed these ideas of love, soulmates, and marriage to keep us procreating, populating the big business that earth is. Yea it is nice to believe there is someone out there molded specifically for you but there isn’t. You either trade your money and time for kids, casual sex, or the delusion of love/affection or you go your way.

Iperovic · 2020-07-05T07:44:29+00:00

It's true, a lot of boys are raised on the noble lie that girls are pure and innocent and deserving of your protection and that if you're good to them they'll be good back...

Then they get to teenage years and reality comes crashing down upon them, except it's really hard to grasp since they're taught differently...

A lot of nice guys grow up hating and blaming bad men for "taking advantage" of women, they're blind to the fact women are attracted to everything opposite of what they tell you

GmanRaz · 2020-07-05T12:34:24+00:00

Id argue, that men in general are nice to begin with. And actually from the getgo treat women with respect. But then society brainwashes them and the women fuck them over with double standards and lies.

If anything, women create the douchebags.

Women created the need for MGTOW to exist in the first place.

CrossCounterChad · 2020-07-05T05:40:34+00:00

Not quite.

Insecure mothers sabotage their children. They can't get that fulfillment from serving their husbands or lack there of. So they raise their boys to be failures of men so that they can keep serving someone.

Shauyy · 2020-07-05T05:38:58+00:00

I flaired that post as "change my view" but not a single person countered my main argument. It's kind of telling when the dissenting comments say "nice guys are bad", which I wasn't even discussing in the first place.

I bet it would just get deleted in larger subs so I probably won't cross post it.

FecalFingerPainting · 2020-07-05T14:15:45+00:00

The quickest way to a woman's heart is by beating her into the hospital. Once you get out of jail, she'll be all over your dick. I've see it happen more than once.

banana_commando · 2020-07-05T16:21:05+00:00

My mother actually said to me once, "A man's purpose is to take care of a woman." Fuck that. I have better things to do with my life.

2020-07-05T01:48:01+00:00

Heh. My mom didn't teach me shit about girls. The only advice I ever got was "don't date till you're 30" and I could never tell whether that was a joke. Dating felt like a forbidden topic in my house. Which pissed me off since I knew both my parents had seen people throughout high school and college. I used to blame that for making me so timid, but now I doubt whether I really missed out on much. By the time I did grow a spine, I found I wasn't all that interested anymore. Still, one way or another, I learned about women. Mostly through unpleasant experiences.

rayedward363 · 2020-07-05T17:08:39+00:00

Several women actually admit this. They go after the thugs and and the bad boys and work to "change" them, then get bored and move on.

-Governator · 2020-07-05T18:36:23+00:00

Indeed. You have also described how incels appear as well - it's the same process. Instill demand for female validation and you have an obedient son/slave. When mum grows bored, dies, or similar - you get a guy thirsting for female validation so much that he is unattractive to any female... thus an incel is born. If that validation was given for free too by mom - the outside world does not provide it easily, and thus they get angry...

Incels are a product of our culture and feminism. Yet, when they start some shit, no one questions why things go terribly wrong... they just blame us or another scapegoat.

TheShadowbyte · 2020-07-06T07:37:28+00:00

Agreed, and I think there is another overlooked layer of complexity at play here: mothers tend to overestimate their sons' looks (maybe due to ego, maybe due to biology), whereby they not only feed them this delusion, but also may deeply believe it themselves as well, that their boy is very handsome. Yes, I'm sure many girls would run head over heels for a dude that's actually attractive, and shows care for them (so a 2-in-1 alpha/beta package). The issue is however, that what young girls find physically attractive does not match a nice guy's mom's bias about her boy's appearance.

attoj559 · 2020-07-06T03:52:42+00:00

I think most guys here can attest to this during their time being raised. I know I can. You have to find out the hard way and make the changes. You don't have to start being a dick you just have to be indifferent and do your own thing. There are so many men who never find the red pill or MGTOW and keep chasing the same pipe dream.

prbonfanti · 2020-07-06T22:15:11+00:00

True , was that for me, and was awful for many years, in the depression/ocs spectrum, only come to know mgtow much after, i can't even imagine how better i would be if id had openned the eyes sooner.But a small fish can be ignored and to live another day.

Title	Women create nice guys thoughts?
Author	Past19
Upvotes	202
Comments	35
Date	July 4, 2020 11:28 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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