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December 9, 2016

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Title	You know the drill
Author	Andtheoceansarewide
Upvotes	431
Comments	63
Date	December 9, 2016 10:47 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/5hgvgx/you_know_the_drill/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MGTOW/you-know-the-drill.618678 https://theredarchive.com/post/618678

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that's not changing for me. i love to fuck women. i love to dominate them. i love for them to beg me to choke them and make them (genuinely) beg to suck my cock and call me master. and at times i enjoy their company. mgtow for me is different. i guess not so extreme for me. i don't think women are the devil. like men they have good bits and bad bits. for me, mgtow is about thinking freely from what this increasingly gynocentric culture tells me. to not have to be a white knight. to not need women's approval. to not be polite the whole time. to not have to marry to be a real man. to live my life according to my values regardless of how many vaginas i offend. we are growing a gynocentric culture that likes to tell men how to be just as our formerly androcentric culture would tell women how to be. they rebelled from that. fair play. i'm rebelling from this. fair play. i know you may not like to hear this but i see mgtow guys who go so far as to not interact with women is the same as third wave feminists who wont want to interact with men because "all men are rapist pigs". all people have something good inside them. i just refuse to live in the mental cage that someone else wants to put me in. i'm gonna fuck who i want when i want and my methods for doing so (not rape obvs) are my business. I don't think we need to become uniks in order to live with emotional and material freedom from gynocentrism.

[–]UglyPrince2000 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So your sex drive hasn't died off at all? I hear it's natural for your sex drive to die off, maybe those married men's sex drive are still there but when you have a fat, annoying, ugly wife as your partner your sex drive kind of tends to fall off. I guess it's different for everyone. Women want to get married though, the more I study up on it the more I realize that the most sluttiest and manipulative women all want children and to be married or at least make a guy pay for her kids, i keep seeing the same pattern. You are fine with being all alone in the end then? That is the real test! Since I'm guessing you won't commit to marriage, most women will avoid a relationship with you after they find out you won't commit to them. No matter how perfect or alpha you are, they will no longer see you as an option and a switch will turn off and then will look else where, i have seen it before. Sex and only sex then?

[–]Andtheoceansarewide 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

we're all alone and never alone. i have friends, i have family, i go to groups, and yes i still meet women. If you mean alone sexually, that's up to you and how mgtow you want to be. if you mean generally, i don't think that's a good idea because we're highly social creatures. if you mean in old age, i don't think so. i intend on living with other old people, reminiscing, playing old people games, watching old people movies, and eating old people food.....and i'll have the money to get a nice swedish nurse to wipe my arse because i wouldn't be supporting a wife and kids for all those years. My response to the latter part of your message is that I will be more than happy for a woman after some time to end our relationship because she wants marriage and i wont get married. A) if what i want is a life long relationship then i will need to find someone who also doesn't want or care for marriage. which is possible. B) I don't necessarily want a life long relationship unless she genuinely is my soul mate. There's an analogy i give about people's desire to get married. it's like getting a job. if you come from a starting position of "i need a job" you will undoubtably find a job eventually. but will it be your calling? will it be your true love? will it be the perfect match? probably not. after a number of years in this job, you may feel stuck and you may even become resentful but you stay because you're afraid of not having a job. My advice is to forget the job and instead following your calling, your passion, your love and this will far more likely give you the most fulfilling life long career you can hope for. in the same way, i am far more likely to meet my soulmate by being willing to say goodbye to women. if some girlfriend NEEDS to get married and dumps me as a result, she's only acting according to what matters to her. good luck to her. i don't think it has to be sex and only sex. Many of us do long for closeness and connection. Do we need to sign a legal contract to get that? i don't think so. and if we stay in bad relationships because we don't want to be alone, we're definitely going to be and feel alone. instead, my mgtow is love and connection with everyone. i love women and men (non sexual). i will always stick to my values and at times this will make me feel alone but it also means that the people who are compatible with me will value me that much more because i am far rarer than most. but you have to get out. you have to put reddit down and get into the world (that bit was for me just as much as it was for anyone else) :-)

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Mid 20s, mine hasn't dropped but I'm definitely more cautious. Now I can see the "code in the matrix" as opposed to before. So this new lens allows me to see interactions with them in a more vivid and real way. Before I was winging it and I did well for not having this concrete knowledge of their ways, but now I can sense intent behind seemingly innocuous actions. I still feel very attracted to them sexually, don't think that's gonna go away anytime soon, but emotionally/mentally, that's a rare find.

As for previous relationships, I'd say the marker when shit started to really wear me down and I felt trapped was around the 2-year mark, give or take a few months.

I've heard that this is when oxytocin, serotonin and all the other feel good buddies start to normalize and the "make it or break it" phase of the relationship takes place.

In retrospect I'm glad this happens because you start to see the person as more than a sexual or idealized object, but so too are you burdened or blessed with what you'll find. It goes both ways though, maybe you weren't Prince Charming either. 'Tis life

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Yes, I agree there is a correlation, and there is definitely a historical conjunction between feminism and various forms of marxism, but never-the-less there is nothing within leftist politics as a whole that is inherently counter to MGTOW.

In fact, going by your logic, we can just as easily pit ourselves against the right, as they tend to advocate the most for the enslavement of men in family structures and having privileged protected status for women just because they have ovaries.

My point is: Leftist ideals, generally speaking, are not with or against MGTOW. Certain leftist ideals do go counter to MGTOW, as do certain rightist ideals. However, our little community if for men everywhere, we are united by a common enemy and malady, and that is not (strictly speaking) just left-wing or right-wing.

P.S: Stalin, the good marxist, was also big-time in to women's lib http://blogs.bu.edu/guidedhistory/russia-and-its-empires/chelsea-adler/

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