One aspect of MGTOW is that divorced or single women are to be avoided at all costs, but how is a man who is paying court ordered child support (whether his child or not) any more desirable to a woman? I don't see any difference really. "If you start screwing, you are going to get screwed". "Kids are the screwing you get for the screwing you got". My Grandfather's generation focused on getting a good start in life BEFORE they ever even thought of getting married and having a family. My Gramps bought a farm right out of high school on a hand shake and his reputation in his town. How many young men could benefit from that sort of societal reinforcement in this generation? I got married at 29 years old. I have 3 kids. One still in university, and one in aviation after becoming a pilot. Now I am not a big fan of universities, preferring Occupational or Vocational education over a Liberal Arts indoctrination, but that might just be me. Just remember men, you will be so much more better able to cope with life if you are equipped for the long haul. Keep it in your pants, and focus on you. You could fuck up and get married later in life like I did, but at least you will have lived, and you will have a shorter time in purgatory. BTW my eleven year old daughter? Is just as squirrely as any here in this sub. Remember AWALT.