On the contrary..

antinatalist-mgtow · 2018-09-24T11:37:32+00:00

Yes I agree. I don't think MGTOW is a sacrifice. MGTOW is luxury. Female nature was never in a manageable state. Even centuries before females were hypergamous and demanded men become slaves. This has existed since the dawn of civilization. Hypergamy is ingrained in female DNA. Hence women will always be women and the best policy for the man is MGTOW.

And don't forget the monetary rewards of MGTOW. No dating, no marriage, no divorce, no children and suddenly you are able to save up a lot of money assuming you live a minimalist lifestyle. MGTOW and minimalism equals freedom.

SimplyKaz · 2018-09-24T12:51:53+00:00

I think MGTOW will be best as a small minority.

There is a place and a role for blue pill people. Without the work of bluepills keeping the women occupied and the factories churning, us MGTOWS wouldn't be able to go our own way.

I remember a video Kurama/Itachi did about this. Let the blue pills be blue pills. You could spend your whole life trying to spread the message like a MGTOW missionary and not get anywhere. They don't want to be saved so let them have their cookie cutter, TV dinner life. Let them get MeToo'd and Divorce Raped. They brought it upon themselves.

The people who truly need/want the red pill knowledge will naturally find us, we don't need to find them. Even without MGTOW, there will still be those who are MGTOWs in everything but name. I think that's why the big MGTOW sub is starting to fail. It's attracting too much attention and too many non-mgtows.

Truth doesn't need marketing. Those who seek it will find us eventually.

redditloginfail · 2018-09-24T13:29:46+00:00

At the end of the day, as long as I'm MGTOW, that's all that matters.

I'd prefer this ponzi scheme of a civilization keeps chugging along until well AFTER i die. Collapse isn't going to benefit any MGTOW. Hiding in plain sight will.

Supernumiphone · 2018-09-24T16:07:39+00:00

Don't you think MGTOW remaining an invisible minority is a safer bet?

It may be safer but I'd rather the information gets out. Without it there are plenty of men who will not learn until they've already been ruined by the family courts. I don't want to throw any men away just because they are "blue pilled". They are still my brothers and I'd like to help them if I can. I'm not concerned that so many men will check out of the rat race that society will collapse. My guess is that even among men who self-identify as MGTOW most have not done that. I think most are just avoiding the entanglements with women that would leave them vulnerable. Even among those who do want to fully check out probably most do not have the means, and so are stuck continuing to work.

I agree that for a lot of MGTOW whether or not they are willing to admit it, there is a hope that if enough men go their own way maybe we can force changes to society that will make marriage a rational option again. We will never change female nature, nor will we return to the societal restrictions that constrained both male and female sexuality to a greater degree than currently. However I am seeing more and more discussion of how current laws are causing men to avoid marriage and children. There is increasing concern and while it may not happen soon, I think reform could happen. It won't be enough to bring many men back to the plantation, but if it helps some men avoid having their lives ruined I consider that a good thing.

I don't think that all men should go their own way necessarily. For those who want to stick to the traditional ways and subject themselves to all the trials that go with that, let them. But I'd like for all men to have the information available so they can make informed decisions, and it would be great if those men who want to do marriage and children could do so without risking so much.

tiredofshit · 2018-09-24T22:30:36+00:00

Mostly incels entertaining revenge fantasies. Mgtow is not a movement and incels are not Mgtow.

Cody_Pomeray · 2018-09-24T23:21:59+00:00

The problem I have with anonymity, in videos/articles, etc, is that (for me) it's important to know exactly where information is coming from, if at all possible.

There is an enormous problem, on the internet, with people who know how to speak or write in a sort of Gestalt style and possess the ability to sound sensible. Not at all saying there's any radicalization to the MGTOW ideas, but that sort of communication is how people in more extremist groups begin to be radicalized. It starts off sounding like basic common sense, and before you know it you're way off in left field strapping on a bomb. (Again, not at all saying that's what is/could happen here)

I will not give content that promulgates any ideologies if I can't verify the content creators credibility.

Whether they are or arent, too many of the MGTOW Youtube channels come across as jaded misogynists, not grounded, well adjusted men with reasonable, informed points of view. Beyond that I see way too many channels that seek to connect the MGTOW to other things, such as politics and religion.

Regardless of the topic, no one should take any anonymous internet source seriously without a way to vet the source.

This should be true of anonymous internet sources on everything. If I don't know where the information is coming from then I cannot reasonably establish it's merit.

car23975 · 2018-09-25T05:10:47+00:00

I never understood this. Why do you want to enjoy life when you are old? I want to spend now and pay back when I am old. You can’t travel the world that well or meet more people when you are old. Clubs and parties are limited to you, but I don’t know its your life. Also, companies and gov are pillaging retirement. So, you are saving so criminals steal all that savings.

RandomReeditUser · 2018-09-25T07:39:10+00:00

I'd personally like to see the world's power structure rebuilt from the ground up and shit has to hit the fan to do so on all levels.

ResidentTruck · 2018-09-25T12:06:25+00:00

Definitely. But the more absurd the state of things becomes, the more the idea will spread, regardless of whether it's being actively promoted. I mean, it's not like it's complicated or anything.

MonkModeEngage · 2018-09-27T17:53:50+00:00

Thank you for posting this. "MGTOW spreading" and "MGTOW is working" is not MGTOW. MGTOW is just like being a man, we are all different versions of the philosophy as we apply it to our lives. Making it a movement of any kind takes away from what the intentional purpose was.

Title	On the contrary..
Author	footloosemonk
Upvotes	9
Comments	14
Date	September 24, 2018 11:07 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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