Strange argument tactic. “Incel”

Gordiflu · 2021-07-23T02:50:37+00:00

Whenever they use this type of tactics my reply is:

ok, I'm a fascist/mysoginist/incel/whatever. Now prove that what I said is wrong,

Never allow them to derail the discussion. Always go to the point immediatelly, and be adamant about it.

That doesn't answer my question, which was X.

It drives them crazy.

30203forever · 2021-07-23T00:35:53+00:00

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...

WhereProgressIsMade · 2021-07-23T00:53:44+00:00

Probably just laugh and walk away with a smirk.

It’s like when people call you a Nazi. They’re not accusing you of supporting anything from the Nazi political platform. What they really mean is that they can’t think of a logical rebuttal to what you said and want the debate to be over. In other words, you won.

Might be fun to say something snarky like, I accept your surrender.

ConsiderationOdd2929 · 2021-07-23T04:30:41+00:00

Perhaps this:

When a friend (female, friendly convo) came out with "You're not an 'Incel', are you?" I replied-

"Incel. You mean 'Involuntary Celibate'?" (She nodded) "No. But I would be VERY interested to hear what your word is for 'Voluntary Celibate'." (*Crickets)

"Yep. Never thought you'd meet someone your magic spell didn't work on, did you? No wonder you're intimidated."

Hy3w_mong0u5 · 2021-07-23T10:16:08+00:00

By using 'incel' as a go-to insult, they're inadvertently admitting that women are sex objects.

When you call a man an incel as an insult, you are literally saying to him: "You sir, are such a failure as a man that you can't even fulfil a fundamentally easy, basic task like persuading a woman to agree to have sex with you."

mistralol · 2021-07-23T05:59:45+00:00

Well insults don't actualy constitute a argument. So by doing so they have actually admitted defeat in the argument because they have nothing left to argue with.

If you simply ignore the insult and tell them the above they have absolutly nowhere to go after that.

You know like some of these below work quite well (Most of these instantly end the debate)

Ahh you had to return to insults because you have no more valid points to make?

Are you going to just continue to insult me with false assumtions or are you actually going to be able to make an actual educated point?

You argument is so shallow that you can to result to charater assasination attempts to shout your opponent down? Does that constitute a win to you? Cause it sure looks like losing the debate from my point of view and everyone elses.

The important thing is not to insult them either. Cause that would just cause it to decend into a slagging compeition which is pointless.

Some others which can be fun. Could you at least be creative and original in your insults?

NoMarriageNoKids · 2021-07-23T03:52:58+00:00

Once they switch to ad hominems I just block them. Can't reason with these people.

NEETiusParasiticus33 · 2021-07-23T00:47:09+00:00

There is no solution, just end the debate. If you want a peaceful life it’s best to just ignore people who insult you. Debate/discuss with tolerant, respectful people.

I’m also a Millennial, but I thought TikTok was mostly used by Gen Z? I’m pretty out of touch though (Reddit is the only social media I have) so I could be wrong lol

hero_killer · 2021-07-23T05:58:27+00:00

Yep. Has happened to me, used against me by millenials too.

Whenever there is an argument and I try to question why are women reacting a certain way and too much blame is put on men, I had called an incel.

And it seems to be the last resort they can play, because there is nothing else they can say.

thefudmaster · 2021-07-23T22:34:09+00:00

Millennial here as well, and I absolutely hate the entitlement that comes with this and subsequent generations. Not everybody within an age group is bad, but certain behaviors disgust me. If somebody calls me a name during an argument, that is when I have won.

OwenWentFullMGTOW · 2021-07-23T13:00:36+00:00

Millennial here. Facts are irrelevant. Insults, ridicule and mockery are always the most effective.

Not saying you have to like that. But it's reality, like it or not.

So, instead of responding with numbers and figures, you should call your attacker a cuck or a simp or a beta or whatever. Because that's what sticks.

Comprehensive_Bus619 · 2021-07-23T10:44:41+00:00

Under this post in r/turkey which claims '' male violence'' kills woman:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/ool1nd/türkiyenin_20082020_arası_kadın_cinayeti_grafiği/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

I made a comment that basically says: It isn' t my fault that women prefer to marry Caveman-like looking man instead of good guys (60% of woman killed by their husbands or boyfriends accordind to chart) and told them to make better choices in life instead of blaming harmless guys like me. You can guess the replies i've got.

WornBlueCarpet · 2021-07-23T13:28:58+00:00

Not being called an incel, but something similar.

My latest argument with a bunch of SJW's where I pointed out that the average man and average woman are different:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfAwarewolves/comments/opk7u8/hmmm_why_is_that/h682lmf?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

Their counter "arguments" just boil down to "you're wrong".

Edit. I left the sub because if you can't have a discussing without the first reply being "this is all bullshit" I saw no reason to engage them in any dialogue. So before leaving I replied to one of them that I had thought about some counter arguments, but why bother. He and all the other SJW's in the sub had already decided that I was wrong so there was really no reason to continue.

Having a different opinion is apparently too much for them, so I got permanently banned after I had left. 😄

Do I believe in equality between all races and sexes? Yes I do. I will support it every day of the week. But if your version of equality and feminism differ from theirs, there's no room for you. And these are people who toot their horn about how fair and open minded they are. I never swore or used derogatory words. I just had a different opinion.

IvorySoldier · 2021-07-23T20:36:23+00:00

I wish our capitalist culture wouldn't just give women money just because men are thirsty cunts. These morons unable to have a debate and their bastard children would starve and die since they're unable to function in a society, it'd be glorious.

It's ironic they rely on males to pay for them but they hate males. It's also pathetic that guys actually pay them, normalise simp shaming.

casra888 · 2021-07-23T19:53:25+00:00

Same thing as when I was a kid. Everyone just used "fag". It's just pathetic. Nothing but a bunch of emotionally stunted children. As soon as I hear someone start that nonsense, I have no respect whatsoever for them. NONE.

IOIooOIOooI_I-I-_- · 2021-07-23T19:11:47+00:00

It’s not strange. It means you won the argument. They figured they couldn’t defeat you in the argument so they resorted to attacking you personally. They lack civility, so they don’t admit their errors to you.

Such_Temporary_9597 · 2021-07-23T16:57:05+00:00

Everytime they say things like "you must not get women ", "your gay!" " you must be an incel" " you must hate all women your moms a woman " you won the argument because they can't denie your facts.

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sgt_oddball_17 · 2021-07-23T13:22:28+00:00

"If a woman is arguing with you, and she is right, she will stay on point until you are on your knees, begging for forgiveness. I have no problem with that, totally respect that. Here's the problem, when they're wrong in an argument, they go rogue. They start crafting some evil remark to press your buttons and anger you so much that you call them a cxnt. And now the argument is about you calling them a cxnt, and not about you doing the dishes 12 times in a row, which was the original argument." --Bill Burr

Mysterious-Dirt-6506 · 2021-07-23T02:05:31+00:00

Constantly. 25 years of relationship/fucking experience total

Plazmatron44 · 2021-07-23T12:33:19+00:00

Millennial activists are emotionally on the level of small children, years of helicopter parenting have turned them into narcissists virtually incapable of using logic or responding in a mature manner.

yamahantx700 · 2021-07-23T01:08:57+00:00

I was born in 82. So sorta Gen X, sorta millenial. I've never been called an incel. I've never called someone an incel.

Is this happening in real life, or online? Perhaps these people are just exposing their own frustration. It might be best to let them figure it out themselves.

akihonj · 2021-07-23T07:47:26+00:00

Yeah don't worry about it, with me they use it all the time, it's their favourite goto when they know they have nothing.

There's two ways to handle this, first agree with them, do that in a way similar to this, you say yes I'm also highly racist, a mysoginist and also hate puppies, what other insults do you have throw to cover the fact you've lost the argument.

Doing that lets them know that you won't be bullied into silence and it let's others and them know that they've lost the argument.

The other way to handle it is to insult them back, which is what they want but you can do it using argument, such as you call me an incel but your generation is having less sex of any generation before, in fact then your generation is the incel generation.

I personally wouldn't recommend this tactic, sure it's a good one to use in a pinch, living in glass houses and throwing stones etc, but it's reductionist and leads any discussion into pure insults which is childish.

Mission-Document5257 · 2021-07-23T18:20:50+00:00

A common tool for the irrational.

Mission-Document5257 · 2021-07-23T18:40:08+00:00

That group's chock full of morons. I'm having a hard time figuring out what the hell their opinion is sometimes. They could use some self awareness.

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Title	Strange argument tactic. “Incel”
Author	AirPods_Life
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Date	July 23, 2021 12:20 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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