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Betsy DeVos is getting savaged for closing campus kangaroo courts

JohnChrissy

September 1, 2018
96 upvotes
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https://nypost.com/2018/08/31/betsy-devos-is-getting-savaged-for-closing-campus-kangeroo-courts/
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Title Betsy DeVos is getting savaged for closing campus kangaroo courts
Author

JohnChrissy

Upvotes 96
Comments 28
Date September 1, 2018 3:39 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9c3zk5/betsy_devos_is_getting_savaged_for_closing_campus/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/betsy-devos-is-getting-savaged-for-closing-campus.895026
https://theredarchive.com/post/895026
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Comments

[–]20cansofSpam 34 points35 points36 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Due process , what a novel idea.

[–]Flatlandcavalry 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s way harder to guarantee the desired outcome with this “due process” thing

[–]JohnChrissy 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

how American in principle!!

[–]thrway_1000 22 points23 points24 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists don't want due process, they want guilt at accusation for men (and men only).

Archive -- https://archive.is/72Ssh

[–]Mehtasticone 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Schools should not be in be business of doing police work. Crimes should be dealt with by the criminal justice system, not the education system. It’s that simple.

[–]BernieSandersgirl101 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate Betsy Devos, but i agree with her on this.

[–]nitzua 16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

she's getting attacked purely for not being a Democrat as well

[–]johndeer89 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't know anyone who knows who holds her last position or if they were any more qualified. I think the big issue is that she hasn't been super union friendly in the past.

[–]tmone 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But mostly because she's associted with trump. Come on. Don't act like that's not the reason.....

[–]johndeer89 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well yes. I was actually kinda suggesting that her non support for teacher unions was a good thing.

[–]ZimbaZumba 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This quote sums up the root of the problem:-

“Start with an alcohol-soaked set of facts that no state’s criminal law would consider sexual assault. Add an incomplete ‘investigation,’ unfair procedures, and a disciplinary panel uninterested in evidence of innocence. Stir in a de facto presumption of guilt based on misguided Obama administration dictates, ideological zeal, and fear of bad publicity.”

[–]Sawses 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is one of two things she's done that I don't outright despise, and it's certainly the only one I wholeheartedly support. Everything else (including her stance on education as a whole) is despicable.

[–]grandmasbroach 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I still don't understand why we as a society can see that using a preponderance of evidence in anything is a bad idea. Yet, we still use it in one of the courts that will affect a person's life more than almost any, even criminal in many cases. Which, is family court.

Seriously, why are we still not using innocent until proven guilty when trying to rule on so many would be criminal hearings. I actually wanted a criminal hearing because I knew I would be found innocent as the accusations laid against me were to gain custody, and to gain custody only. She had a violent criminal history at that point. Which, happened to be a DV case where she was arrested for throwing my college chemistry book at me from a good 20 feet off of our balcony down at me. Got me good on the shoulder and arm and since she was fine, they arrested her. She filed and was granted an ex parte restraining order for abuse. Ex parte means you don't get to defend yourself and it is done without your knowledge. Usually the guy will find out after the police show up to kick you out if your house.

I don't doubt this is a major reason for homelessness and crime. Had there been an actual criminal investigation, and not just an ex parte hearing, I don't think things would have turned out nearly as bad as they did. The preponderance of evidence and ex parte orders are hurting a lot of people. Yet, we as a society still haven't woken up to that. I don't get it. We have in every other instance. Why not in family court?

[–]ZimbaZumba 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

DeVos is a hero.

[–]JohnChrissy 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

she is the perfect woman: smart, pretty, tough, doesn't hate men, and wants to make America great again

[–]JohnChrissy 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

guys, I like to keep overt politics off this reddit, but if you don't know who your friends and enemies are now, your head is in the sand.

Keep America Great 2020!!!

[–]Mehtasticone 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Neither party has been helpful. Both ignore the issue of male expendability. So, yah...no thanks.

[+]Eemino1 points 7 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Take your politics and stuff it. Free thinkers, please.

[–]BigAl265 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm sorry, but men's rights don't exist in a vacuum, and there is one party that very clearly has disdain for men. Especially white men. I'm not telling anyone to run out and vote Trump 2020, but you're kidding yourself if you think the Democrats will act in the best interest of men. At best, you get Republicans who do little or nothing to help us, and at worst, you get Democrats and leftists who hate and despise us and actively work against us because it's politically expedient. You can sit on the fence all you want, but all you'll end up with is splinters in your ass.

[–]Homemade_Guacamole 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's a bit overly simplistic to frame the political issue as one where Republicans won't work with us and Democrats will work against us. In truth, they both work against us - Democrats are just a bit more openly hostile to men as a group. Republicans are some of the biggest champions of 'law and order' policies that seek to make the criminal justice system even harsher. As you know, criminal justice reform is a huge men's issue.

So, yeah, Democrats aren't for us, and to believe they are is really deluding oneself. But anyone who thinks that Republicans are simply indifferent - and not just working against men in different ways - is similarly kidding themselves.

[–]LordofNothing1984 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Free thinking by telling others to keep their opinions to themselves? Yeah that's totally how that works.

[+]Eemino1 points 7 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Free thinkers who abhor binary political discussions.

[–]LordofNothing1984 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then perhaps add to the conversation beyond saying that conversation sucks. You know, express an opinion, not kicking someone else's castle.

[–]Yoda300 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So pussy denied?

[–]tmone -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Try submitting this to PPD and I'd remove it. It's not ppd.

[–]Yoda300 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Triggered

[–]tmone -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That was lamest use of triggered I've heard

You tried.

[–]TheImpossible1 -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I say this every thread but I will say it again anyway.

A woman wouldn't do this without having a solid chance of them winning every time anyway.

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