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Title	Coming Out Post
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	0
Comments	236
Date	July 8, 2012 1:00 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/w7xcf/coming_out_post/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/coming-out-post.1018371 https://theredarchive.com/post/1018371

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Like North Korea? Well that would exclude media outlets publishing the normal work of investigative journalists.

No not like North Korea. I don't think this line of arguing warrants any further consideration.

AVfM published hard evidence, you say that's morally wrong because they are not GOV. or the information didn't come from GOV, yet you reserve the right to publish very serious assertions about violent intentions, and you have no evidence to back up those serious assertions whatsoever.

You're mistaken there. I haven't said whether or not that were their intentions, they may have done so out of ignorance. That doesn't change that they're facilitating violence as you can do so unintentionally.

I have made no false allegations about AVfM. They have engaged in assholery, doc dropping and the facilitation of violence as a result.

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They're not criminals before they've found to be in a fair trial. Anything else is forming a lynch mob.

One of the reasons that AVfM published that is that the authorities in Sweden are funding the calls for genocide there and the authorities in Australia will do nothing because the people calling for genocide are women and the targets are men.

Do you have any evidence for these claims?

And I'm sorry, your idea GOV should control who knows what about crime and criminals is dangerously totalitarian.

That's not what I'm suggesting. Just that people who have in fact not yet been designated as criminals, after a fair trial, shouldn't be announced as such when it could potentially endanger their safety to any degree.

And it looks like you are singling AVfM out, were they a feminist group outing some group calling for violence against women, if one existed - no one would be condemning the feminist group.

Not even you?

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Apples and oranges and you didn't answer my questions.

These aren't people that have been baselessly accused of calling for genocide and violence, they are there in print and in film doing it, in the Swedish case its gov. funded.

Likewise if someone is on film raping or calling for rape in print, republishing it as a warning, or a news paper or blog reporting it, is not a crime, its pretty normal.

You are treating AVfM with double standards.

My questions

If someone found out about the extent of the holocaust plans before everyone else did and went public in print, would you perceive them as being the bad guys?

If someone had gone public about Marc Lépine knowing the authorities would do nothing, would you perceive them as being the bad guys?

Watergate, were the journalists the real bad guys?

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Apples compare just fine to oranges. They're both fruits with a lot of similar characteristics. I'd say it would be different with apples and bananas, perhaps.

These aren't people that have been baselessly accused of calling for genocide and violence, they are there in print and in film doing it, in the Swedish case its gov. funded.

You provided no evidence of it being government funded or backed. Furthermore some of these may just be actors who have nothing at all to do with any of the content.

Likewise of someone is on film or print raping or calling for rape, republishing it as a warning, or a news paper or blog reporting it, is not a crime, its pretty normal.

Never said there was anything wrong with republishing government warnings or content that was previously intentionally made public

You are treating AVfM with double standards.

No I'm not.

My questions

I'm not interested in entertaining your hypothetical scenarios any further than I already have. I've already answered your questions; yes doing wrong for a good cause is still wrong even with good intentions in mind.

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You provided no evidence of it being government funded or backed. Furthermore some of these may just be actors who have nothing at all to do with any of the content.

You don't know the story then, that theater group called SCUM, receive gov. funding and show their production of SCUM to schools.

Never said there was anything wrong with republishing government warnings or content that was previously intentionally made public

I know you said it was only ok if its gov sanctioned and that's a non sequitor, I didnt mentioned a gov. judgement, I was talking about a rapist or some other criminal committing the act on film or calling for it in print and it being made public.

No I'm not.

Yes you are, that's why you are avoiding these questions.

If someone found out about the extent of the holocaust plans before everyone else did and went public in print, would you perceive them as being the bad guys?

If someone had gone public about Marc Lépine knowing the authorities would do nothing, would you perceive them as being the bad guys?

Watergate, were the journalists the real bad guys?

For some reason, you are demonising AVfM for outing these people that call for violence, you are mirroring David Futrelles spin that was designed to take the focus off the fact that these people were calling for genocide and so are genuinely facilitating violence.

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If someone found out about the extent of the holocaust plans before everyone else did and went public in print, would you perceive them as being the bad guys?

Fine as long as they exposed the plans without putting anyone in harms way through also providing identifiable details about the suspect planners. Those details go to the authorities.

If someone had gone public about Marc Lépine knowing the authorities would do nothing, would you perceive them as being the bad guys?

If the authorities did nothing in response to evidence providing reasonable suspicion of an imminent massacre? How would you know nothing would be done to stop that without actually going to authorities with it first? Yes the way you framed that it would be wrong because you made an assumption that cannot possibly be made.

Watergate, were the journalists the real bad guys in your eyes?

I have no opinion on that particular matter as of yet. My familiarity with the Watergate incident is not that good. If things were as with the outing that AVfM has done then yes.

Now I've answered these enough.

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Fine as long as they exposed the plans without putting anyone in harms way through also providing identifiable details about the suspect planners. Those details go to the authorities.

Ok, so you say that outing holocaust plans is ok, so long as none of the planners are named in public.

How would you know nothing would be done to stop that without actually going to authorities with it first?

In order for it to be like the AVfM story, there would have to be a situation where the authorities would not do anything, the rationale for AVfMs outing these people, is that the authorities would not do anything, and they were right, despite complaints being made nothing has happened. You don't know very much about our side of the story, you are just repeating David Futrelles version.

And watergate, were the investigative journalists the bad guys?

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