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Comments in which I get called a rapist for suggesting that a woman shouldn't get irresponsibly drunk and pass out at a stranger's house.

phantom_nosehair

March 25, 2013

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Title	Comments in which I get called a rapist for suggesting that a woman shouldn't get irresponsibly drunk and pass out at a stranger's house.
Author	phantom_nosehair
Upvotes	0
Comments	96
Date	March 25, 2013 7:17 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/1azo2a/comments-in-which-i-get-called-a-rapist-for-/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/comments-in-which-i-get-called-a-rapist-for.1609038 https://theredarchive.com/post/1609038

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You are saying there is a rape culture in fraternities and women need to know that and to be told to stop deciding to pass out in them. Feminists are saying there is a rape culture in fraternities and that culture needs to go.

Ok.

Your "argument" is academic. If you want to play logic games, go ahead. Academic arguments make no difference. You must be young.

In reality, in pragmatic reality, I keep strangers at least an arms length away, I bought my girlfriend pepper spray and taught her how to use it, and I don't get wasted around strangers without having at least one friend to take care of me and vice versa. This should be common sense. But lots of younger vulnerable people will either learn this lesson the hard way or hear it from people that know there shit in reality like me.

You have taken the feminist position well. You completely refuse to deal in real terms and want reality to conform to your structural definition of it. You will someday learn to adapt to conditions that exist rather than prescribe definitions.

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I'm an ex user and have been in all sorts of social scenes where people gathered and often over did it, over doing it was a norm., raping people while they were unconscious and laughing about it, and others supporting them rapists, was never a norm and something that people should just expect to happen. I have never seen anything like the video or story that came out recently in America. While to you it seems like a norm, just a fact of life, therefore people should adapt to this norm. - that actually normalizes something that is quite dysfunctional and does not exist many other sub cultures.

You must be able to see your cognitive bias by now, where you keep having to change the context slightly in order to appropriate responsibility onto the victim to make your argument - and are framing something that is highly dysfunctional as a norm and how this might lead people to accuse you of some variation of "normalizing rape culture".

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I do get it. I understand both sides of the argument, you understand just one thing - X fucked up thing was done to someone while unconscious, if they didn't decide to go unconscious in the first place, that wouldn't have happened, therefore the main issue is women deciding to go unconscious, therefore women just need to take responsibility for deciding to go unconscious and what happens to them while unconscious and be taught not to decide to go unconscious - its redundant, biased, simplistic and very flawed.

The fact that you are against the monolithic nature of some interpretations of rape culture doesn't make it /r/mensrights business to lecture people on rape prevention or invalidate all interpretations or issues ever brought up in the theory.

Muslim clerics in India think the main issue is women being out without a male relative after dark wearing western clothes, and that rape is the normal and expected outcome, therefore women that are raped need to take responsibility for it, it makes perfect sense to them and it also normalizes raping women that are out without a male relative after dark wearing western clothes. Your argument is basically the same thing, applied to modern western culture. Some people want to change the cultures where rape is seen as the normal and expected out come for deviating from certain guidelines. This is obviously possible to an extent, to know that, all you have to do is compare different cultures.

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