Common fallacies & underhanded debate techniques

zyk0s · 2010-11-23T23:04:09+00:00

resources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

Keep in mind that, just because someone's argument is a joke, it doesn't mean they're wrong.

toastyrick · 2010-11-23T20:14:56+00:00

Did you copy/paste these from my ex's how to argue manual?

thetrollking · 2010-11-23T20:56:38+00:00

Great. Have you seen the list of anti male shaming tactics?

2010-11-23T21:38:10+00:00

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2010-11-24T05:52:23+00:00

"Check your privilege - "How would a native american male know what life is like for a woman in australia? He should check his privilege!""

I laughed out loud.

ShakeyBobWillis · 2010-11-29T05:43:04+00:00

This is funny because it pretends that r/mensrights doesn't have it's own set of dismissive language for people that don't toe the line 100% with the extreme cellar dwellers in the midst.

"White Knight" = Used to dismiss any man that enters into the argument that doesn't side 100% with whatever the current /r/mensrights outrage is. Because obviously, the only way a man could disagree with r/mensrighters is if he's trying to 'save' women from their evil clutches!

"NAFALT...But the ones that MATTER are!!11!" = This is essentially the same thing as saying "All Muslims are terrorists" or "All black people are drug dealers", but in the case of Feminists it's OK! Trust me!

"You're a troll" = "You have disagreed with my point that all women are not to be trusted, evar."

As well as prolifict use of strawman, loaded questions, limp dick rhetoric and such that the 'other side ' uses as well.

There's no shortage of circlejerk herpderp here. It's the same.

neofool · 2010-11-24T03:14:21+00:00

As to the "Ad Hominem", what's wrong with triple A. They are a useful organization for American motorists.

Other than that good list, very informative.

BolshevikMuppet · 2010-11-30T18:32:59+00:00

I post this not so MRA's will use them in debates, but so that they will easily recognize when others are and be able to call them out on it.

How about when MRA's use them? Do we call ourselves out? I'll do my best here to quote actual responses I've gotten here.

"I have two doctorates and have experienced more oppression than you ever have. Who are you to tell me the earth is round?"

Read some of my interactions with avoiceformen. His posts often invoked 1, 2, and 6. It usually went something like:

"I worked as a social worker for a long time, and I saw lots of men who observed x,y,z. Besides, this isn't a factual argument, this resonates with a lot of men, so it's right".

"How would a native american male know what life is like for a woman in australia? He should check his privilege!"

Kind of like "Who the fuck are you to ask such questions and marginalize his feelings?"

"Everybody knows heavier things fall faster. You sound like an idiot when you dispute that."

You mean like how everyone knows that circumcision makes sex less satisfying, so there's no need to provide evidence for it? Or how because every man knows someone whose life was ruined by false rape accusations, it's an endemic problem? No direct quotation here, sorry.

"I just came to this subreddit today and truly believe in equality. Here is why all of you are wrong. Please listen!"

I don't see as much of this. Though the number of instances of "I approve of equality, but..." does raise a question.

"You're stupid and a member of AAA, so who cares if you insist the earth revolves around the sun. Your opinion is worthless."

"You're a petty tyrant in the making, and cannot be reasoned with. You and people like you are the problem. Go away."

"I feel very strongly about this and it hurts me when you say the sun doesn't revolve around the earth. Why are you trying to upset me?"

"You've got a great career ahead of you fighting to keep innocent men in jail, so you can protect your precious system... I hear they're looking for unscrupulous lawyers in Texas trying Death Penalty cases...why not try your hand there?"

"My experiences affirm what I've stated. I stand by it. I have nothing to lose in sticking to them, and gain everything that would otherwise be taken from me if I was willfully ignorant of the issues and went in saying, "this time it will be different."" (in reference to the poster's claims that modern feminism is akin to the Nazi movement)

"So you say false rape accusations are bad? That's ridiculous, many accusations are completely legitimate!"

"Make a test case then, eat nothing but HFCS and motor oil for a week and let us know how that works out. I'm going to celebrate the results."

"Why do most men shoot blue lasers from their eyes?"

"Is that why you come to this forum? To be a feminist apologist?"

"You guys EVER say things that are true?"

That was fun.

Title	Common fallacies & underhanded debate techniques
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Date	November 23, 2010 7:29 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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