Debating about equality

HunterRenegade09 · 2024-05-29T17:49:31+00:00

Yes. It's all men and majority of men. But when it comes to women, they are angels. The ones that are bad are simply outliers.

Vinniikii · 2024-05-29T18:25:48+00:00

That’s the “big lie,” brainwashed ppl use it to prevent dangerous freethinkers from entering their sphere. Instead you’re forced into anecdotal, subjective feelings debates.

The sad part is that men and women worked together for centuries to create genuine equality and now misandric women are destroying that because they want to eliminate all men and any male power (too threatening).

Slight-Rent-883 · 2024-05-29T19:02:00+00:00

heres's one: the claim that feminism is about equality is countered by the belief that it actually promotes female superiority, evidenced by systemic and societal biases favoring women. Critics argue that legal and social systems, such as family courts, often favor women in custody battles and alimony decisions, while issues like domestic violence against men receive less attention and support. Workplace policies and educational trends, including affirmative action and higher female college graduation rates, are seen as disadvantaging men. Cultural narratives and media representations frequently depict men negatively, further entrenching these biases. Additionally, the gender wage gap narrative is contested, with some asserting that when accounting for various factors, the gap significantly narrows, suggesting that the discourse is skewed. These points collectively argue that feminism, rather than fostering true equality, has led to imbalances that favor women over men in multiple domains.

Punder_man · 2024-05-29T20:53:41+00:00

Look no further than the #MeToo movement
Initially it was touted as a movement to empower victims to have their abusers held accountable..
And so many women came forward with their #MeToo..

But when men came forward with their own #MeToo they were only allowed to do so if their abuser was a man...
If their abuser was a woman.. they were often called out and told to stop "Derailing" the movement..

Any man accused on Twitter with #MeToo was hunted down and doxxed or 'cancelled' in retribution..

And of course the leaders of the movement also had their own #MeToo stories..
One of them in particular, Aisa Argento accused Harvey Weinstein of being a predator..

But, when a young man whom had acted in a movie with her came forward with his own #MeToo story against her and the fact that she pressured him to have sex with her when he was still only 17..

And what happened when this accusation came to light?
Did the movement go after Asia with torches and pitchforks and the same fervor they did when a man was accused?

No..
When it was one of their own accused of the same vile, disgusting behavior they were accusing men of?
Suddenly THEN they were concerned with trivial things like "Due Process" and "Evidence"
There were calls from others in the movement to "Not jump to conclusions" and to "Wait for evidence"

Or you had some trying to justify it as "Those who are victims of sexual assault often go on to become perpetrators of sexual assault themselves"
But once again.. this was only used to justify WOMEN doing this..
No self reflection or consideration was given to the fact that maybe some or many of the men being #MeToo'd were also victims of sexual assault in their life?

Nope.. when men are sexual predators, its because they are innately evil or want to control women..
When women are sexual predators, its because a man forced them or they were previously a victim themselves..

Is this what "equality" looks like in this day and age?
If so, I don't want a bar of it!

Head-Engineering-847 · 2024-05-29T20:22:57+00:00

Both men and women have to be broken down on a completely sub-human level to truly understand and respect each other as equals. Pain is the only common denominator in life

Eastwood96 · 2024-05-29T21:53:00+00:00

Don't talk to her. Keep your sanity.

Street_Conflict_9008 · 2024-05-30T07:41:00+00:00

The position to follow up with that is:

It might be true based on currently recorded statistics. If there was social bias taken out of the equation, could the statistically numbers be different if gender was to remain anonymous or hidden, but only used to highlight statistical differences.

For example, many periods of history if a male was abused by a female and reported it, that male would be publicly humiliated. If it was the other way around either nothing would happen or the male would be punished.

If abuse did occur either way, the male would be punished. The male would be punished even when the female was abusive to the male.

Can we therefore assume the statistical numbers are not a true reflection as there is social stigma and bias.

nieralgia · 2024-05-29T23:57:32+00:00

The following may be a bit controversial but: Claiming social causes are responsible for an observed effect, while it is to a large degree biology, is nearly as bad and repressive as the other way around.

Take cerebral palsy as an example, which is correlated with mental disability (for physiological reasons). This is a mere correlation, there are geniuses with cerebral palsy. Now imagine one would postulate as the cause for this effect a “culture of anti-intellectualism” in cerebral palsy sufferers and make them all responsible for perpetuating this culture. That's just horrible and helps absolutely no one.

With men, if we like it or not, the observed variance in behavior seems to be larger than in women (this is a simple social observation, I guess it's called “variability hypothesis” if one assumes it's biological).

It's just that the larger set of top-performing men vs. women are explained by “male privilege,” while bad and deviant behavior is explained by “toxic masculinity” or “rape culture”. Of course, many feminists are often quite inconsistent and may slip into biological explanations (if you point that out, they get super-annoyed!), but that's another issue.

Now, I'd say we have no definite proof about the causes for this distribution of men vs. women. But I also doubt that there's much freedom of research in this area. Things haven't improved after Larry Summers' forced resignation and the James Damore drama.

But still: Postulating social or cultural causes to explain differences in population subgroups is not an innocent act. You should not be allowed to do that without very good evidence.

WeEatBabies · 2024-05-30T07:10:45+00:00

That's the equivalent of saying : "White people can be as evil as black people, but it's a very few number", which is racist af, ... your feminists debater is misandrist af!

doctorobjectoflove · 2024-05-30T07:31:50+00:00

She acknowledges there are women as evil as men but then say it’s only in very few numbers

What are the rape statistics of men vs women?

Title	Debating about equality
Author	DrewYetti
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Date	May 29, 2024 5:36 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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