Entitlement vs. Accomodation

fia_bui · 2014-01-17T02:02:23+00:00

Be interesting to see how this plays out. There are lots of segregated, women-only spaces, like curves. Now an Islamic man wants gender separation, not because of feminist ideology but for religious reasons.

This is a kind of follow up to the issue brought up in the past week about a man wanted segregated groups because he is Islamic and all the wrist wringing that popped up when that happened.

What the fallout will be. Will white women win out over freedom of religion? If this Muslim isn't white, will the white girl dominate a visible minority? Or is this a situation where white-female entitlement runs out?

Jesus_marley · 2014-01-17T03:34:21+00:00

Here's the thing though. Sonja was not treated any differently by her instructor. She was not given substandard training. She was not discriminated against in any way by the school. She has an issue with another student who she feels she is entitled to interact with despite his choice not to do so. The evidence of this is clear in her vocal opposition to his refusal to acknowledge her. While I do not agree with the mans proselytizing, he is nonetheless free to do so. No one there is being forced to join Islam for his sake.

IS44 · 2014-01-17T02:33:18+00:00

Power, then 15, who had been a student at East Coast Yoshinkan Aikido

I wonder what would happen if a Shinto guy walked in and asked for religious accommodation...

Hell, she'd probably come up with some bullshit like, "His water purification rituals oppress me!"

fia_bui · 2014-01-17T03:24:17+00:00

Gender vs religion: Woman refused haircut by Muslim barber highlights problem of colliding rights

fia_bui · 2014-01-17T03:33:36+00:00

He shouldn't have to talk to them or shake hands with them if he doesn't want to. You can't force people to interact with someone else.
Assuming that's exactly what was on those leaflets, he shouldn't have been handing them out in the dojo, it's pretty threatening to be honest. Somehow I suspect that there's more to it than that though.
Something someone said on twitter isn't news. Unless they're a politician or someone of consequence or someone connected to the story it's not relevant.

JeremyKean · 2014-01-17T13:54:39+00:00

I don't get this "second class citizen" shit. Separating 2 groups isn't inherently judgemental. It's not like they were made to hide in the basement. I agree it's moronic, but not oppressive.

Second, she mentioned him not shaking her hand. Again, the guy sounds like a major asshole, but it's his business who he shakes hands with. The presence of a misogynist doesn't automatically place you in second class status.

And the whole handing out pamphlets bit seems highly dubious. I wish they had a picture of one, or someone else around to corroborate.

edtastic · 2014-01-17T17:14:13+00:00

Since we support gender equality rather than unlimited religious rights that extend to selective gender segregation in any place of your choosing I think for argument sake we'd come down on the side of encouraging sex tolerance across the board.

On the other hand MRA's support male spaces and feminist female (safe) spaces. The classroom is not a sensible place to implement this sort of segregation unless the school itself is segregated by gender.

2014-01-17T03:37:39+00:00

It's a lot like dueling bangos.

Title	Entitlement vs. Accomodation
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Date	January 17, 2014 1:58 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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