Equality or assault

MrAnonPoster · 2024-01-08T18:07:36+00:00

It does not matter what it is - in most of western countries he is definitely going to jail and she might go to jail.

Other-Medium5577 · 2024-01-08T17:43:50+00:00

Not assault. Self defense.

duhhhh · 2024-01-08T16:58:04+00:00

and, not or.

The moral question is, is it self defense to prevent more harm to the man or escalation of the violence. Either way, the man is likely the one arrested.

Huntress_Nyx · 2024-01-08T17:44:05+00:00

It depends.

If he got with the same force, then it's equality.

If he hits with significant more force then it can be assault or self defense, depending on how hard he hit back and if he believed his or other people's lives/bodily integrity to be in danger

Edit:

Best solution is always to de escalate. But sometimes it isn't possible or the adrenaline makes someone to act differently.

But if person A assaults person B, then person A proved to be a possible threat (depends on situation), which could justify giving more force behind the punch person A received.

sanitaryinspector · 2024-01-08T17:31:29+00:00

De escalation should always be the first option, but if that's not possible, self defense should be proportionate to the danger and the damage, not necessarily equal to the offence but neither much harder.

This said, if the attacker chases you everywhere you go, deescalation isn't possible and they should be momentarily put out of order so you can reach shelter

jessi387 · 2024-01-08T18:18:44+00:00

Should be equality. And there should be special laws to allow this. That way men feel they are capable of protecting themselves

BurnAfterEating420 · 2024-01-08T19:48:54+00:00

it sounds like both.

"hitting back" is not self defense, so it's just two people assaulting each other. Defending yourself is not hitting back.

however, it IS equality.

designerutah · 2024-01-08T19:30:33+00:00

Ignore the genders (and the sizes, and relative lethality). Is person B responding to an attack from person A? If so, self defense. If not, it's an assault. All of which doesn't mean you won't wind up arrested, and have to fight a charge of assault. Morals don't always align to legal realities.

EdanChaosgamer · 2024-01-08T19:31:29+00:00

In 11/10 cases, the Man faces the punishment. It is complicated.

TL:DR: No, we cant simply punch them back. We are physically stronger then them, so every person who hasnt witnessed it will only be judging YOU, and viewing her as a woman who „stood up for herself, and defended herself against a mysogonistic rapist/evil Man“.

A Woman is physically weaker then a Man, so she doenst pose a real threat to his well-being, as long as she isnt attacking him with a *Weapon.

If a Woman kicks, slaps or scratches a Man, and he punches her in the face, he will be facing severe punishment, while the woman gets of scott-free, because „surely he deserved it“.

There was a post here about a few months ago, showing a tall Highschooler beeing verbally harassed by a smaller Girl, clearly getting harassed by her, I dont know the full story.

When he tries to leave, she grabs him and starts punching, scratching and pulling his hair, while around 10 students stood around them and just… let it happen. He got beaten by her for around 15sec, before he punched her ONCE in the face, causing her to fall backwards against the wall, before she charges at him and wildly swinging at him, while he mostly dodges her hits, before she hits him 2 times in the face, before he dropped her bag, and started beating the shit out of her for around 5 seconds, before a bunch of Guys dragged HIM away from HER. There are always these fucking White Knights.

So the fact that no one interfered, when she was punching him shows, that subconsciously, they knew she cant really hurt him, but when he started punching her repeatedly, they knew it was gonna give her permanent damage, or something like that, who knows?

So to put it simply, the safest thing to do is to walk away, report to the cops, who wont do shit and cut contact with that woman.

*But if a Man is attacked with a Weapon (Gun, Knife, furniture), then he is within his rights to beat the shit out of her, and any REASONABLE Person wouldnt blame him for it.

OldTrapper87 · 2024-01-08T20:05:35+00:00

It's equally assault.

If someone has a knife you can't shoot them because that's over kill so if a woman hit me I wouldnt hit her with a knock out blow I'd just back hand her.

Equal force is hard when you much stronger and lager.

OppositeBeautiful601 · 2024-01-08T18:05:56+00:00

Is there a gender double standard when it comes to violence perpetration? Yes. Does it "equality" make it OK to punch a woman back if she hits me? No. Can I punch a woman if it seems like the only option to disrupt an ongoing attack? Yes. Should I go post this really poorly worded question on r/AskFeminists, so I can get all bent out of shape from the responses? However you want to spend your time is up to you.

Framed poorly, this question just makes us MRAs look juvenile. My guess is most people would agree that if you are in danger of being seriously injured or killed from an attack that you have the right to defend yourself, regardless of gender. The problem is not whether men can punch women, it's how violence perpetration by gender is perceived by society.

The narrative we should be pushing is that is not "less bad" to abuse a man than a woman. That's a double standard we should be pushing back on. When women hit men, men are more likely to be victim blamed: "I wonder what did he did?" That is what we should be fighting against, not the right to hit women...ffs.

Vegetable_Ad1732 · 2024-01-08T19:31:20+00:00

In most cases you can probably go in-between. If you see a woman approaching you with bad intent, put up your guard. Block attempted hits. If she grabs you, try to pull her hands off of you. With luck you can defend yourself without punching her. Of course, that's "with luck". If she's a physically powerful woman, then you might have to get rougher.

TheseMeat4233 · 2024-01-09T12:06:07+00:00

Depends, if you use the same force its self defense, if she gives you a slap in the face and you break her arm it is assault from both sites.

In my country violence for your own defense must be on the same level as the attack.

For example when someone punches you, stabbing him with a knive will make you an assaulter too, at least if it was not a situation were youre life was threatened.

StickmanPokemaster · 2024-01-09T12:12:51+00:00

that's equality.

s1mplem1stake · 2024-01-11T02:29:30+00:00

Really duking it out with a woman should be the last resort. Push her out the door and close it on her. Unless shes a foot taller than you, 150 pounds heavier, or Ronda Rousey I can't agree with it. I don't think as a 6'5 250 pound man you had to defend yourself against an unarmed 5'3 104 pound woman by knocking her out. Let's just be real.

Time_Celebration7051 · 2024-02-05T00:28:08+00:00

You can only reply with about the same violence you were attacked with and only to get away and safe. If she has a black eye and bloody nose and you have no mark on you then you’re the one going to jail. They won’t care she hit you first.

Title	Equality or assault
Author	Itzdiesel252
Upvotes	38
Comments	38
Date	January 8, 2024 4:44 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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