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Every single person here is afraid for themselves in the case that some random female cries rape and results in the destruction and unraveling of our lives. [Male] Solidarity comes from a place of fear - fear for ourselves, and fear for our society.

kanuk876

May 14, 2010

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Title	Every single person here is afraid for themselves in the case that some random female cries rape and results in the destruction and unraveling of our lives. [Male] Solidarity comes from a place of fear - fear for ourselves, and fear for our society.
Author	kanuk876
Upvotes	6
Comments	12
Date	May 14, 2010 11:11 PM UTC (16 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/c49pz/every_single_person_here_is_afraid_for_themselves/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/every-single-person-here-is-afraid-for-themselves.1049504 https://theredarchive.com/post/1049504

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[–]catlebrity -2 points-1 points0 points 16 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

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[–]ignatiusloyola 0 points1 point2 points 16 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The question becomes whether that fear is justified or not.

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You know, I had written a huge response to your comment, but I deleted it all when I realized the following - you just committed a very blatant Straw Man Fallacy, if you assume that your comment is in any way related to the title of this thread. If you are just making a comment, then power to you. Maybe women do stick together because of fear, and the nice thing is that >99% of the male population supports them (unless you are going to suggest that >1% of the male population has been convicted of rape).

When a person is raped (men get raped too, and probably more often if we include prison rape), a single (or group) of people are responsible for taking away that person's rights and freedoms. It is an atrocious and despicable act.

When a male is falsely accused of rape, his rights and freedoms are taken away from him not only by the accuser, but also by the rest of the population that punishes him and incarcerates him without due process. People rally around the accuser, regardless of evidence, and will justify and support the accuser even when the truth comes out. (At no time does this paragraph refer to actual rape cases, and is only and strictly referring to false rape cases.)

As I said in the original post that the title quote is taken from - a society that uniformly refuses to respect the rights of its citizens is essentially a totalitarian regime. When one person commits a crime, that is atrocious, when a society does it, its a regime.

[–]catlebrity -5 points-4 points-3 points 16 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

I really have no idea what your point is.

The question becomes whether that fear is justified or not.

Whose fear do you mean? Certainly there is ample justification for women to be worried about being raped. As a man I spend very little time worried about being falsely accused of rape.

also by the rest of the population that punishes him and incarcerates him without due process.

What does this even mean? That people assume he's guilty? Yeah, some do, and some assume the accuser is lying. "The rest of the population" may have opinions about the case but assumptions aren't the same as incarceration.

Yes, sometimes people are wrongly convicted -- of rape, of murder, of all sorts of things. This is a terrible thing. But the idea that all men can or should spend their lives terrified of this possibility is a bit ridiculous. The chances of an individual woman getting raped are orders of magnitude greater than the chances of an individual man getting convicted of a rape he didn't do. And in most cases of rape, the rapist never goes to jail at all.

[–]ignatiusloyola 1 point2 points3 points 16 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's a good thing you listed a number of common myths about rape and false rape, otherwise we never would have known the truth!

Like I said, the first line was the start of an entirely different post. If women live their lives in fear of rape, then they certainly are believing some form of propaganda. The 1 in 3 numbers and a variety of other statistics have been debunked many times by educated professionals, and links to that have been posted here before.

Furthermore, a portion of the remaining statistics are from cases where a female gets drunk and hooks up with a guy she later regrets. It is my belief, and many people here, that these cases are not simple cases of rape. A person chooses to drink, and thus is responsible for their actions while drunk - not to mention the hypocritical fact that men are somehow responsible for their actions while drinking.

Women are also able to protect themselves from rape, by carrying protection, traveling in groups, etc. As has been noted several times by women coming to r/MR, the stereotype of the dark alley rape is only a small percentage of rapes. The rest are acquaintance rape, which rarely involves a weapon, and can likely be protected against via a can of mace. Men, on the other hand, have very little to protect themselves from false rape allegations, because rape is generally a he-said-she-said situation anyways.

It seems likely to me that you choose to avoid reading the numerous posted articles about false rape allegations, and avoid reading the False Rape Society blog. People who are even accused of rape lose jobs and families, long before the any outcome of the trial. That is a form of incarceration, with a metaphorical sense of the word, with no employment prospective, no friends, no family, and a stigma following wherever they go.

And yes, men should be afraid of false allegations. I work at a teaching organization, and I have often been taken aside by my supervisors to say that I have to be super careful around female students because anything can be misinterpreted. At one point, a relationship developed with one of my former students, and due to her status as a student, I spent the next many years afraid of losing my job and losing everything I worked for if she made any kind of allegation. There was nothing illegal about our relationship, there was nothing against official rules, but she wasn't happy with the ending and I was afraid of vindictiveness.

As I said before, if women are afraid of rape, they have every right to be. I would probably be afraid of rape if I were a woman. I would also do everything I could to protect myself against my fear, just as I now do as a male afraid of a false allegation. But I will never, ever believe that fear of rape justifies any kind of perversion of justice and basic rights and freedoms of individuals. The rape issue and the false rape issue are separate issues to be addressed, and should not affect each other in any way.

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