Gender pain gap

StripedFalafel · 2024-04-13T22:38:39+00:00

Why is it that feminism relies on surveys instead of objective data?

Can anyone see a flaw in this reasoning:

Globally, more women report chronic pain than men do. A survey of over 1,750 Victorian women found...

CatacombsRave · 2024-04-14T03:07:38+00:00

How many of these women have had their pain dismissed as “womanflu?” Or told to “woman up?”

Another thing I’ve noticed is women dismissing men’s pain with the “You’re fine” line, as if they know exactly how men feel. Any of my fellow men ever experienced that before, too?

Suspicious-Singer659 · 2024-04-13T23:10:15+00:00

Oh wow. 55 to 48 percent that is. . . Not much. This is much worse of a point than I thought.

From the article:

"Women also experience pain differently to men. There is some evidence to suggest that when diagnosed with the same condition, women are more likely to report higher pain scores than men.

Similarly, there is some evidence to suggest women are also more likely to report higher pain scores during experimental trials where the same painful pressure stimulus is applied to both women and men."

This is insanely interesting but not for the reasons they seem to intend. Their own claim is that women feel more pain from the exact same stimulus. I remember seeing a news article once about men ruining pain tests because they take them and try to take as much pain as possible. This was described as toxic masculinity.

So what he have here, if I'm taking this story at it's word is:

- Men are culturally or biologically inclined to downplay the pain they are experiencing to the point of (in rare extreme cases) seeking out pain recreationally in order to endure it.

Women literally FEEL more pain when experiencing pain causing conditions.

-Women are more likely to have pain causing conditions in the first place.

So women are likely to need treatment and more likely to seek it when they do, which means they're having someone look at their pain in order to "ignore" it in the first place.

Then there's the fact that men stereotypically only go to the doctor when their problem becomes completely unignorable. A stereotype that most people seem to agree with.

Which would probably mean that when they do come in their symptoms are more severe.

Then you throw in the fact that women might be literally feeling worse pain from the same condition meaning their dosage may be more easily underestimated.

Then you factor in that women are more likley to suffer from chronic pain conditions AT ALL

Then you factor in that the same attitude of stoicism that might cause men to understate their physical pain might also cause men to under report feeling hard done by by the medical system.

And with all of these confounding factors at play the difference is 7%?

I just don't see where there's room in there for this apparently widespread phenomenon where nobody takes women's suffering seriously.

And the whole thing is based on what the people studied FELT. They FELT their pain was ignored.

Mister_Hugh_Mungus · 2024-04-13T22:53:23+00:00

Seems like if one is reinforced as victims by society and media they may start self identifying as victims. Possibly objective metrics might be of value... No absolutely out of the question

Asher-D · 2024-04-14T17:18:12+00:00

55% compared to 48% too though? Theyre fairly comparable numbers. Regardless if theres a statrical differenc eor not the bigger issue clearly is that It seems like about half of everyone regardless feels their pain is ignored by docs. Looks like there just a general problem with docs ignoring pain for everyone.

Ozhubdownunder · 2024-04-14T20:52:49+00:00

Slightly higher rates mean men can be excluded and we can ,are it a woman’s issue. Male disposability in action.

2024-04-14T03:59:50+00:00

I mean not any women probably, because admitting or expressing you are in pain is not seen as something women need to do in order to be considered "feminine enough." One of the issues in this discussion is that masculinity requires men to pretend they aren't in pain and pretend they won't have feelings. Another of the issues in this discussion is that men have way more motivation to downplay or pretend they are in less pain than they are. The only way any of these studies rate pain is from the person's own self reporting of their pain. Men's pain is also only self reported. The fact that women are self reporting experiencing pain more than men are seems like a natural consequence of living in a culture where men are punished for expressing being in pain, and women not being punished for that, because arbitrarily, the gender binary dictates that men should not express pain, while that particular thing is not something women are punished for expressing.

NeoNotNeo · 2024-04-14T17:05:12+00:00

Given half the of the medical population is female how is this a man’s problem

rabel111 · 2024-04-15T03:16:11+00:00

I suspect the pain gap is between the ears of feminist journalists.

mjsgloveahheehee · 2024-05-03T23:37:18+00:00

Corny ass shit lol these people focus grouping buzz terms to sell their pain killers. What's worse are the corny ass people who will buy into it.

IvorLittleun · 2024-07-02T19:14:01+00:00

Now It's the men who are being ignored! ( I know this from experience) men used to be tough and ignor pain as long as possible, woman just whinge about the slightest pain! now men are getting softer but unfortunately woman are in the limelight with everything aimed at them and men are being ignored. Swings and roundabouts.

bingbashbosh · 2024-07-19T17:56:18+00:00

I saw this ad and it broke my cringe gland.

Best_Nobody7267 · 2025-03-01T22:31:44+00:00

I came online after recently seeing the latest televised advertisement regarding the supposed "gender pain gap" and hoping I wasn't the only one completely baffled by such a notion.

When I first heard the subject title the first thing that instantly came to my mind (and catalyst of my confusion) was the age old adage "man-flu" used to undermine and/or dismiss a man's complaints when sick. Even the dictionary definition is dismissive "a cold or similar minor ailment as experienced by a man who is regarded as exaggerating the severity of the symptoms." Yet there's no pain relief medication that targets the demographic. However, there's various pain relief that advertises to PMS. In addition, most pain relief advertises predominately focus on a female audience, which to me suggests there's already more focus on pain management for women.

I have no personal complaints on the matter, myself as I was brought up to 'grin & bear it' however in the modern social climate boys aren't brought up the same way and are increasingly taught to no longer see themselves as physically stronger (on average), but mentally weaker. Even though the latter is rationalised by the fact that a man's complaints aren't generally listened to or even welcome in some settings. Which the idea of a ficticious 'gender pain gap' only exacerbates by suggesting male pain management is a result of exaggeration.

I've never once known a man's complaints of pain to be welcomed and taken more seriously than a woman's.

I'm a strong believer of empowering woman, however this should only be necessary where women and their ability and/or accomplishments are overlooked. I've never complained about women taking monthly days off work or even acquitted from a crime due to PMS, yet until men can take 3 days off a month for mental fatigue or stress there's no way I'll be convinced in such a thing as a 'gender pain gap'. Absolute nonsense and completely unfair to the future generation of men who aren't even taught to be 'boys' anymore.

NewPCtoCelebrate · 2024-04-16T09:50:43+00:00

This is Victoria in Aus. The state is shockingly biased towards women. The new VPS pay deal even gives women for leave than men. Of course they're studying new ways to "prove" women have it harder than men.

Prudent-Conflict-557 · 2024-04-14T12:22:08+00:00

As a woman with a chronic illness.. I am taken more seriously if I bring a man to my appointments. Do with that what you will.

Title	Gender pain gap
Author	Ozhubdownunder
Upvotes	76
Comments	21
Date	April 13, 2024 10:02 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1c3dgfg/gender_pain_gap/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/gender-pain-gap.1514990 https://theredarchive.com/post/1514990

Comments