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Grim Future for Our Less Educated Sons

Heavy_Grand2526

March 15, 2022
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Title Grim Future for Our Less Educated Sons
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Heavy_Grand2526

Upvotes 25
Comments 5
Date March 15, 2022 3:28 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/tefm5i/grim_future_for_our_less_educated_sons/
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[–]a-aron1112 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn’t show on mobile.

Here is a link in case anyone else wants a read. https://www.theepochtimes.com/grim-future-for-our-less-educated-sons_4323170.html

Use reader view to get passed the paywall

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Here is an interesting quote:

Evidence that is available reveals a dire picture of boys in trouble:
Dropping out of school: For every 17-year-old girl not going to school in 2020, there were 1.5 boys. That trend has been getting worse for the last half-century.

Left behind: NAPLAN results tracking basic skills show more boys falling below minimum standards in every subject. Year 7 NAPLAN results show that in most subjects, boys are about twice as likely to be in trouble compared to girls.

Overall, 11 percent of teenage boys can’t read at a minimum standard. And even in numeracy, more boys are below par.

Final school results slipping: Last year in NSW, girls were awarded 58 percent of all the high scores in the HSC results, with about 6,300 more top scores than boys received. Most states simply don’t publish final year results by gender.

No longer going to university: In 2021 there were 1.4 females for every male doing a degree or graduate study. More girls than boys have been going to university since 1989, with the gender gap increasing steadily.

[–]MRA_TitleIX 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Dept of Education OCR is complicit in this. They published a paper pdf warning on the impact of covid across segments of the student population.

Men as a whole were mentioned twice. Once in a data dump that provided no discussion on the absurd disparity in stats. Another time when saying enrollment in college was dropping before covid for both "women and men." For the last statement they reference an article about how men are no longer enrolling in college and "feel lost" in the university system. In one use of a reference OCR only used racial data and ignored the glaring issues along gender lines because it showed men were having some disparate impact issues.

When reading the stats, they choose to ignore it and paint it as "everyone impacted" when that isn't remotely the case. Men were 78% of the drop in total enrollment due to covid despite being ~40% of the student body. That means men were overrepresented in lost enrollment by a factor of 2. Before covid, enrollment was dropping at about 1% per year for women but was a stable decline rate. For men, enrollment was dropping by over double that of women, and the latest report for pre-covid was a drop of 5%. The trend is not stable for men, it keeps getting worse over the past decade. So not only are men underrepresented in college and impacted harder by covid, but the trend disparity is accelerating. Despite having the data, referencing the papers, and being a specialized agency on the topic, OCR said nothing about the issue in a paper dedicated to exploring it for other groups.

In fact, when Title IX was passed as law, there was a 10 percentage point gap between men and women in college. This prompted development of various "women in engineering" and "women's resource center" type departments/buildings. Every major university has them.

Now the genders are flipped and the gap is almost 50% larger. When it impacted women it was enough to get new civil rights laws passed. When men are underrepresented to a larger degree, we can't even get them to mention it, let alone consider legislation.

So much for the "evenhanded" approach required by courts when creating programs that discriminate based on sex. Courts have ruled that if discrimination is implemented it must be done in a way that is even-handed. You can't consider creating programs that only help women then turn around and refuse it when men are similarly situated. The choice of who is helped being based in sex is discrimination. It is well established that the equal protection clause of the 14th ammendment does not just apply to the effect, but also to how decisions are made leading up to program creation. Justice Ginsburg herself was involved in making some of those rulings during her time in SCOTUS.

I am merely pointing out a legal flaw here. I don't think education should be gendered and argue against gendering education at any step of the process.

Part of my Title IX work is slowly building an equal protection clause complaint against OCR. It takes a lot of cases and work to establish a pattern, something I am working on bit by bit, case by case. So far it's going well and has even triggered involvement from a senator's office in two of my cases due to how flagrant OCR's dereliction of duty has been.

[–]throwaway20210821 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Dept of Education OCR is complicit in this.

Other people that are complicit in "men falling behind" are imo companies and organizations that give preferential scholarships, internship priority and job opportunities for women.

When men get passed up in favor of women, they are incorrectly portrayed as having given up when in fact they are simply passed over and not given as many opportunities, so they seem less active career wise and have less of an ability to establish themselves earlier in a career, making it seem like they've "been doing nothing"/"dropped out".

This is a reason why affirmative action gender based grants, scholarships and hiring needs to be done away with if the issue of "men falling behind" is to be addressed. Instead the federal government and private corporations are going full speed in giving even more preferential assistance and hiring opportunities to women students.

[–]MRA_TitleIX 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Considering OCR is literally the watchdog for Title IX violations, they are primarily the responsible party for its violation. They are the arbiters of who does and does not get continued funding from the dept of education.

The only penalty for violating Title IX is revocation of federal funding. OCR uses this like a gun to the head of universities, and universities will comply with demands and penalties that are at the whim of OCR.

The problem is OCR is under the executive branch and caters to political whims more than the written law and interpretations of the court.

OCR only gives a slap on the wrist, if anything at all, for violating the civil rights of men. Courts have overwhelmingly favored men who turned to them after OCR fucked up the case indicating a derailment of OCR's direction by politics. The risk to universities is low for violating the rights of men.

I can't remember the case offhand, I think it was eighth circuit 2018. The case was Doe v. Perdue University (7th cir. 2019). The case allowed considering the financial pressure on the school to find men guilty of sexual assault as supportive motive of what was otherwise entirely circumstantial evidence of discrimination.

I get what you are saying, but OCR has gone so far off the rails of their mandate that courts are taking notice. It's OCR's differential of enforcement and lack of penalties that has produced a "weighing of risk" culture producing financial motivated discrimination against men in universities. If OCR wasn't giving the green light to discriminate and instead followed their mandate, the educational discrimination 90% of these issues we have with universities would vanish.

Universities and corporations chase cash. They are like wild animals seeking food, they will likely always be this way. The issue is the government that keeps handing them cash despite the violations. The issue is that there is a financial incentive to discriminate created by the agency that is supposed to stop it. Stop the flow of cash and they will shape up faster than you can say quarterly report.

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