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Gymnastics association excludes boy from competing despite his high school only offering one team to participate in

Electroverted

February 4, 2020
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https://www.theblaze.com/news/high-school-boy-banned-from-officially-competing-with-girl-gymnasts--so-hes-claiming-gender-discrimination
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Title Gymnastics association excludes boy from competing despite his high school only offering one team to participate in
Author

Electroverted

Upvotes 68
Comments 17
Date February 4, 2020 10:08 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/eyy384/gymnastics_association_excludes_boy_from/
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Comments

[–]Electroverted[S] 20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Reminder that inclusion apparently applies to one gender only.

[–]Ketsuni 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

From my understanding, aren't the competitions themselves gendered? I could be wrong; I've never done competitive gymnastics myself, but I swore they were typically separated?

[–]Electroverted[S] 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I wouldn’t be surprised if they were. But this is the cost of inclusion. And if they’re not gonna give him any alternatives but instead prohibit him, then that’s a lawsuit. It’s the world that’s been built.

[–]Ketsuni 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I did a bit of digging, and APPARENTLY boys from other sections have been allowed to compete; section 1 is just REALLY lagging behind there...

[–]Greg_W_Allan 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men and women use different apparatus in gymnastics. It would be difficult to combine them.

[–]EvilLothar 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even better. The more it costs them to accomodate including men, perhaps they will start to learn.

[–]antifeminist3 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There's been several cases (one in Canada), where a school only had boy's sports for hockey. Girls were not allowed and this was ruled as gender discrimination. If there was a girls team also, it would have been ok.

So this is the exact same situation.

[–]Ketsuni 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This issue took place in the US where school sports are still often separated and unequal. They're getting BETTER at it, but there's a way to go. When it comes to competing in gymnastics, many places still don't allow for coed. As another poster noted, men and women gymnasts often have different expectations, and might therefore be separated, which is what I was expecting. After some digging, however, it looks like the student's section is one of the few in the area that has these rules and that other coed teams have been allowed to compete. So yes, definite discrimination. Im glad his family, coach, and team are supporting him and hopefully the rules get changed.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's equality when males have to accommodate female athletes and not possible is it disadvantages the results for female athletes.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Title IX lawsuit.

[–]RyansPutter 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yet every time a girl joins a high school football team as a kicker it's celebrated.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

When Vernon's mother appealed the decision, the Section 1 committee upheld it, saying Vernon “exceeds the physical abilities in his team … thereby creating an unfair advantage" and his participation “would result in a female gymnast being displaced," the station said.

From Youtube: Olympic Champions React to MEN DOING WOMENS GYMNASTICS - Shawn Johnson and Nastia Liukin reacting to a video of men performing disciplines - beam, assymmetric bars, and floor - that are normally only competed in by women.

It's a surprising video, because men performing women's sports is usually presented as a girlpower exercise that requires the men to be humiliated - the hockey players unable to keep up with the little ice dancer's workout, grudgingly admitting at the end that she's a real athlete.

But Johnson and Liukin assume from the start that the men will be very good, and they're gracious about giving credit where it's due. A little bit of testosterone goes a long way when it comes to those explosive jumps.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And the male high school wrestlers who put themselves at a disadvantage when they have to be more careful where they touch female wrestler opponents.

[–]MarsNirgal 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen that video a couple times and I think, besides the gender differences, gymnastics has evolved at an accelerated pace in the time since. Shawn retired eight years ago, and Nastia seven years ago, and both of them were at their prime almost twelve years ago.

The code of points has changed and a lot of difficulty has been added to the average routine. Part of it has been the pressure to keep up with the top players like Simone Biles (who is insanely ahead of the rest of the field) and part of it is an arms race regarding difficulty.

So it makes sense that, in general, gymnasts nowadays can do harder moves than gymnasts of their time.

[–]Neveah_Hope_Dreams 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At first when I clicked on the vid I thought there would be jelousy and shaming. But I was completely wrong!

It's great to see them supportive of the gymnists, instead of acting as SJW's.

[–]coke501 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He should identify as transgender. A lot of people have no problem with girls getting destroyed in a competition when the winner pretends to be a girl too.

[–]Neveah_Hope_Dreams 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Freaking hell.

This reminds me of this contest my friends like to compete in. And aparently, when giving the awards to the top competitors, the judges were like "Wait, there's not many girls here. Let's decide which boy to replace".

F..k them.

What happened to the level of performance that mattered? Not looks or background?

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