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[–]bufedad 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Women pay more for women's versions of items, like razors.
It's basically the belief that they are the same items, but women are too stupid to buy the cheaper version, because it says it's for men.
[–]TheShShCreature 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, women have consistently been willing to pay more and have perpetuated a demand for higher end products, thus the companies make higher end/ or just plain more expensive versions of products like, say, Lotion. Because it is a different lotion bottle than that of a men’s bottle they are within full legal parameters to charge how ever much more for it that they decide. If women have a problem with it: BUY THE DAMN “man’s” PRODUCT.
[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If women have a problem with it: BUY THE DAMN “man’s” PRODUCT.
Feminists would have you believe that women aren't smart enough to do that.
[–]fengpi 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A pink razor costs a bit more than a regular, black razor. Like how a premium good costs more.
There's absolutely nothing stopping the woman from buying the black razor if she wants to save money but, hey, details, schmeetails.
[–]goodmod[M] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You should put your question in the title of your post. That way more people will see it.
[–]Male_Parental_Figure 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Okay, thanks for the advice.
[–]odel555q 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pltkcFNRxjo
[–]Hadashi_blacksky 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He skips it, but he was right to doubt them on deodorants. Women's deodorants are formulated very differently and have about twice the number of ingredients.
[–]DignifiedAlpaca 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The theory is that the women's version of a product tends to cost more than the men's or gender neutral version of a product. This is often the case, but it can go the other way as well, where the men's version will be the one that costs more:
https://www.amazon.com/Crystal-Deodorant-Stick-4-25oz-pack/dp/B001E0YEIY
https://www.amazon.com/Crystal-Body-Deodorant-Deod-Stck/dp/B00XV5W1IK
There are a million different factors that can go into determining the cost of a product. Many times the men's and women's versions don't even contain the same ingredients, so although discrimination theoretically can be a factor that goes into determining the different prices for each gender, it is only one of many possible causes.
[–]TheNextMilo 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s the notion that the female equivalent of items cost more.
The truth is, the stuff women want to buy as a result of market cost more (maybe because of demand, maybe because the male version is easier to make, maybe because the company just wants to set it at a higher price (which they are within their rights to do so)) but the thing is, you don’t have to buy that. You are essentially paying for your desire for the so called “feminine” version. If it’s so identical except for the cosmetics, then buy the male version. A women isn’t being forced to pay more for the same item, is she? If a man were to buy a female razor then he’d be charged as such, no more or no less than a woman doing the same.
So it’s not gender discrimination.
Also if it’s a debate a rebuttal to one of their rebuttals could be “it’s more acceptable for a woman to buy a “masculine” item than it is for man to buy a “feminine” item.”
[–]ArdentGamer 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women choose to pay more for items that are directly marketed to them, or in a way that is specifically designed to alienates men. A pink razer or a pink nerf bow are luxury items, they are slightly repackaged versions of already available items that girls look at and say "I WANT THE PINK ONE CAUSE ITS PINK!". And then they choose to pay extra for it or, in many cases, just expect a man in their life to pay for it because they want it.
[–]BramblEdge 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Essentially, women are not secure in their femininity so they are willing to pay more for products that make them feel more feminine.
They'd rather buy the pink razor that costs more than the black one which does as good a job. They don't want to use products that men use so they pay more for some things to get the female variant.
[–]Male_Parental_Figure 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
So what I am getting is that women spend more on higher quality products as men will settle for anything that does the job. Women tend to be more picky then men when choosing things such as hygiene products. Then women proceed to blame companies for charging them more for the same thing? Am I getting it or am I missing something?
[–]TheMythof_Feminism -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
The so-called "pink tax" is just supply and demand in action.
Men will not pay more for a product because it's a certain color. Women will. Therefore buying certain products in pink costs more because the demand is higher.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Pink taxes aren't literally about the color pink, and you can bet sure as hell plenty of men would pay extra for a razor that wasn't pink.
[–]TheMythof_Feminism 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Pink taxes aren't literally about the color pink
My mistake then. I know for a fact that an equal product just for being pink, can be sold at a higher price.
I assumed that's what this was.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This covers the basics, if you're interested.
[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There is an interesting question - which gender would pay more to avoid products styled and coloured for the opposite gender? Men would pay far more because there is little or no stigma for women associating with men's stuff.
[–]TheMythof_Feminism 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
which gender would pay more to avoid products styled and coloured for the opposite gender? Men
Correct.
because there is little or no stigma for women
Lol what are you even talking about?
No. The reason is because women tend to be less frugal, and more agreeable when making purchases.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link
It's the higher price women pay on average for goods and services. Things marketed to women are usually more expensive than equivalent items marketed towards men, like clothing. Women also have more unique expenses than men (like tampons). There have also been policy issues around things like Viagra being covered by insurance as medical necessities while things like IUDs were not.
[–]mikesteane 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
It's the HYPOTHESIS that women pay more on average for goods and services.
[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Below is all from the long article at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_tax
There are many causes of this discrepancy, including the tampon tax, product differentiation, and the belief that women are less price elastic than men.[1][2][3][4]
Products marketed specifically toward women cost on average 7% more than products marketed toward men, according to a New York City Department of Consumer Affairs study.[1] This discrepancy applies to apparel, toys, and healthcare products, amongst other things. In the toy sector, girls toys cost on average 7% more than boys toys. The study talked about a side-by-side comparison of a Radio Flyer scooter where the red scooter costs $24.99 and a pink scooter, identical in all ways but color, costs $49. In children's apparel, girls' clothes were 4% more expensive than boys. Mens' clothing was 8% less expensive than women's clothes. The largest discrepancy came to personal care/hygiene products, where women's products cost 13% more than men's.[1]
Another popular case for discrimination is in volume. Many times, price will be the same, but women's products are often smaller in volume. For example, a study found that while men's and women's deodorant is often similarly priced at $3.15 a stick of deodorant, women's deodorant is smaller than men's. At 2.86 and 2.26 oz, men's deodorant costs $1.15 an ounce, whereas women's costs 20% more.[2]
[–]mikesteane 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Just as I thought; selective bias ignoring things like insurance (where the choice to purchase at the same price is not available unlike in other examples), men's need to consume more calories.
I note that the difference in quantity cited for deodorants is similar to the average weight difference between the sexes. Women should need less because of smaller body size.
I would further note that in the case of clothing, women have a far wider choice than men because there is almost no clothing which is specifically male whereas there is a huge range of clothing that is specifically female. In reality, all this is is just that in additional to regular items women are often offered special alternatives.
Additionally, in the case of the scooter, social pressure against a boy riding a pink scooter exists, whereas there is no prejudice against a girl riding a red one.
Women will also pay more for water; typically, men will drink the perfectly good stuff coming out of the tap and women will waste money on water in plastic bottles. Like the alleged pay gap, this is really just about choices.
This is the usual set up aimed at producing the preferred result.
[–]WikiTextBot 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pink tax
The pink tax is a form of gender-based price discrimination, with the name stemming from the observation that many of the affected products are pink. Products marketed specifically toward women are generally more expensive than those marketed for men. The NYC Department of Consumer Affairs conducted a study that concludes that women's products are typically more expensive than men's. There are many causes of this discrepancy, including the tampon tax, product differentiation, and the belief that women are less price elastic than men.Products marketed specifically toward women cost on average 7% more than products marketed toward men, according to a New York City Department of Consumer Affairs study.
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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It's demonstrably, statistically true in a number of ways.
[–]mikesteane 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Please demonstrate then. I suspect it can only be true by carefully selecting inputs and ignoring things like motor insurance, men's need to consume more calories etc.
Edit: Not going to produce any evidence then?
[–]Male_Parental_Figure 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's a feminist, buddy. Do you ever expect evidence from one?
[–]mikesteane 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I expected one of three things: 1. a link as ine the Wikipedia link above, 2. Some garbage or, as in this case, 3. a telling silence.
[–]William__F0ster 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
It's the higher price women pay on average for certain goods and services when those goods and services differ in particular aspects considered desirable to women consumers
FTFY
Things marketed to women are usually more expensive than equivalent items marketed towards men, like clothing.
"equivalent", not "identical" or "the same", please note.
Women also have more unique expenses than men (like tampons).
Tampons, granted, are not something a man is ever going to need to buy (for his own use, that is, and not including transmen where that is applicable of course).
However, this states that "more unique expenses", plural, so I am curious to know what else is on this list.
There have also been policy issues around things like Viagra being covered by insurance as medical necessities while things like IUDs were not.
This seems to me to be a separate issue from the 'pink tax' - more perhaps importantly:
A 2004 report by the nonpartisan Guttmacher Institute found that in 2002, 86 percent of the plans that insurance companies typically wrote for employers covered the full range of approved reversible contraceptive methods (birth control pills, hormone injections, implants, IUDs and diaphragms), and only 2 percent covered no methods at all. The worry that Viagra, but not birth control, is being included in health care plans is out-of-date, according to Adam Sonfield, who coauthored the report. He says that when Viagra initially became available and insurers began to cover it, “there was concern that this was the case and that insurance companies really were covering erectile dysfunction drugs but were not covering contraception.” This concern, he says, helped spur efforts to get contraception coverage mandated in 27 states, and contraceptive coverage rates shot up as a result. Sonfield’s study, which asked insurance companies about employer-sponsored plans, found that coverage of contraceptive methods had tripled from 1993 to 2002.
A 2004 report by the nonpartisan Guttmacher Institute found that in 2002, 86 percent of the plans that insurance companies typically wrote for employers covered the full range of approved reversible contraceptive methods (birth control pills, hormone injections, implants, IUDs and diaphragms), and only 2 percent covered no methods at all.
The worry that Viagra, but not birth control, is being included in health care plans is out-of-date, according to Adam Sonfield, who coauthored the report. He says that when Viagra initially became available and insurers began to cover it, “there was concern that this was the case and that insurance companies really were covering erectile dysfunction drugs but were not covering contraception.” This concern, he says, helped spur efforts to get contraception coverage mandated in 27 states, and contraceptive coverage rates shot up as a result. Sonfield’s study, which asked insurance companies about employer-sponsored plans, found that coverage of contraceptive methods had tripled from 1993 to 2002.
This is significant because it makes the point that while not all insurance plans include contraception, the vast majority do - and did even before the Obama administrations change to regulations governing this part of health provision.
The point being that this enables individual women to choose plans which do insure them for such expenses - if they wish that to be part of their insurance plan - or else lobby their HR department collectively to switch to a plan which does include it if their insurance is provided by their employer.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
I'm not sure what you're arguing, here. It's not controversial that it is, on the whole, a little more expensive to be a woman than a man.
Beauty and make-up items are the other big example of the class of things women are much more likely to own than men, in some cases nearly to the point of exclusivity.
[–]mikesteane 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's not controversial that it is, on the whole, a little more expensive to be a woman than a man.
Yes, it is.
[–]iainmf 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
a little more expensive to be a woman than a man.
I guess that comes down to what you consider essential and non-essential items.
If someone chooses to spend more, that's not their life being more expensive, that them having different priorities.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Men tend to be granted custody less often because they request it less often. Are you satisfied with the notion that this is because their priorities are just different?
[–]iainmf 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
That's certainly part of it.
What things do you consider essentials that people must spend money one? That is, they don't have a real choice,eg if you don't spend money on food you die.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
I'm not that interested in distinguishing the concept of essentials from non-essentials. You don't need makeup or hair product to live, but you do need them to look presentable relative to what men need to look equally presentable and may face social and career consequences by not using them.
[–]iainmf 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Ok.
Men also face consequences if they don’t meet expectations. For example, a man is expected to support his partner. You may have read comments here about men being frustrated that their wives refuse to work full time or at all, and they are forced to subsidise that decision.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Yup! Sexism cuts both ways.
[–]iainmf 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
So how did you reach your conclusion that it is more expensive to be a woman if both men and women face similar problems?
[–]William__F0ster 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not sure what you're arguing, here.
Who says I'm arguing anything?
Isn't it, though?
So ... why not just state from the outset that there were two things rather than imply a list of some considerable length?
Furthermore, are "Beauty and make-up items" essential or not?
There is a point of view which might suggest that they are not - not mine, necessarily, but it is a point of view.
[–]antilopes -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
Is Google not working today?
You should not be going into a debate with just what can be gleaned from quick responses on a sub like this. For one thing it is nearly all men, who are not the gender who will know most about it.
The other thing is our interest here is in denying the pink tax exists, or in explaining it in terms of individual women's choices. If you prepare for a debate from such a narrow range of views you are likely to get surprised by a team which has read more widely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_tax
BTW your heading is atrocious. You deserved to have your post simply binned by the mods.
[–]Male_Parental_Figure 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes, because men are not allowed to talk about things that don't involve their gender. Wow.
I didn't say that. It is a matter of competence not what is allowed.
People who do stuff tend to know more about it than people who don't do it. If a white woman wanted to know about the issues involving cosmetics for darker skin she could go ask a bunch of white men or white women, but both of those would be stupid choices.
Simply said, men know about prices the same way women do. We know those prices and many, including me, have partners. We are familiar with the differences in prices between any products. Your analogy wasn't a good one, by the way. I may know the prices but I will never know how it feels to live in darker skin.
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