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How far the mighty reddit has fallen. Posts about mensrights on other subs are nil, whereas posts criticizing incels had tens of thousands of upvotes.

batesman12

February 24, 2018
31 upvotes
/r/MensRights

https://np.reddit.com/r/all/search?q=title%3Amensrights&restrict_sr=&sort=top&t=all - Posts about mensrights

https://np.reddit.com/r/all/search?q=title%3Aincels&restrict_sr=&sort=top&t=all - Posts about incels

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Title How far the mighty reddit has fallen. Posts about mensrights on other subs are nil, whereas posts criticizing incels had tens of thousands of upvotes.
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batesman12

Upvotes 31
Comments 27
Date February 24, 2018 11:46 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/800kto/how_far_the_mighty_reddit_has_fallen_posts_about/
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https://theredarchive.com/post/905417
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[–]mwobuddy 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I take it you're new to reddit.

[–]batesman12 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I heard that in the past, reddit was oriented towards men's issues. Then a few years ago, the admins decided to make reddit the next tumblr.

[–]mwobuddy 22 points23 points24 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Any male dominated space that gets up to 40% women in the real world instantly transforms into thecuckening2.0 and it becomes an SJW/libtard hellhole.

Reddit has been SJW for about 5 years at least. I think its likely that once women reach 20% or more in online message boards, they instantly become SJW hellholes, with all the 'misogyny' talk and so on.

Women have in group preference for women. Men have out group preference for women.

So if women whine or claim feeling attacked, an internet group will rapidly go whiteknight and that cascades into SJWism.

[–]JebberJabber 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It depends who you listen to whether Reddit is overwhelmingly left / right or feminist / MRA.

Research since the late 70's has shown that men start to perceive a mixed group as "female dominated" when it attains a surprisingly low proportion of females - as low as 20% in some old experiments I think.
It has changed since then. I used to look out for women getting talked over or just ignored in meetings. It was once common but at least in the IT field I don't see it as a significant problem now, my white knight armour has hardly been worn in the last 20 years.

Women in other fields say it still happens though.

[–]PapaLoMein 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

With the way in group and out group biases work, 20% women can dominate a group. But no one seems to talk about the biases because that's real sexism that doesn't follow the narrative.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is a good point, the dominance can go to a female minority if a lot of the men present take their lead. I have seen that happen for issues that mostly concern women, e.g. if women say they want some late-night car parking spaces reserved for them close to the building then men will tend to vote for their preferred solution.

For non-gendered discussions I haven't noticed women dominating though, the opposite is more common in my experience.

[–]JebberJabber 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the admins decided to make reddit the next tumblr.

How could they do that? Only the most extreme stuff has been removed, I don't see how that changes anything for mainstream subs like MensRights, TRP and MGTOW, or for the women's and feminist subs. The admins choose which subs go on the front page though, for people who use that.

Last year the admins deleted:

The worst racist hate sub (It is nice that most people have no idea how vile it was).

A hate sub against fat people (said to be for allowing/encouraging doxxing and brigading I think, not for being hateful).

A pedophile sub based on covert or stolen pix of real kids in public.
Possibly another pedophile hentai sub. I'm not sure, but go to 8-chan for all your pedophile needs.

Recently:

InCels got banned for promoting illegal behaviour (forcible rape and statutory rape I imagine, after visiting a few times).

SelfHarmPics was banned for promoting self harm (which they tried not to do, but it was an inevitable effect). /SelfHarm remains.
I wouldn't be surprised if an anorexia sub got kicked too, for the same reason.

A suicide methods sub was shut down.

A suicide support sub was sternly warned about allowing posts about methods, pacts, supplies etc.

Many of the above deletions were for legal liability reasons. I've been told the moderated nature of Reddit makes a difference here, if you moderate then you accept some responsibility for the content.

[–]wisty 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"Mensrights" or "MRA" used to be the snarl word used to describe everyone in the "mannosphere". But then people started pushing back with "actually that's TRP" or stuff, so they use "incel", because pretty much no-one defends the r slash incel community.

[–]Lethn 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What they'll do next though is try to equate incels with MRAs because they just do not want to consider the fact that MRAs and the people who support them are human beings too with real concerns.

They already did it in their latest brigading attempt. I would not be surprised to soon see them spreading that shit in the default subs.

[–]JebberJabber 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It looks like a malicious technique but I hang out with feminists quite a bit online and the sad truth is they mostly don't have a clue about the manosphere, there are few with even a basic understanding of the differences between the groups.

they just do not want to consider the fact that MRAs and the people who support them are human beings too with real concerns.

That is fair comment. They are happy to write off MRAs as simply needing enlightenment that feminism will solve all problems.

Not that they make any attempt to reach out and evangelise. I can't even find any resources to explain feminist concepts which does not assume the audience is already part way there.

[–]RubixCubeDonut 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I honestly fail to see how it's not malicious to throw an accusation with absolutely no care as to the accuracy.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is callous not malicious. The enemy and any loosely associated groups are dehumanised.

The formal charge should be "Hurling an accusation with reckless disregard for the emotional safety of bystanders".

[–]PrefixKitten 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand why mainstream SJWism cares so much about incels.

[–]JebberJabber 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They are often pretty loathsome, if you ever spent any time on their sub (which has now gone to heaven).

Also Incels do a lot of dark humour and irony, which is misunderstood by horrified normies. Some folks think autists lack a sense of humour, this is not at all true. It is just different humour.

[–]PrefixKitten 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Idk, loathing groups of strangers seems like a pretty petty way to spend some of your time. Especially strangers that lack any sort of authority in society.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Incels are an easy and safe target.

Loathing unpopular outgroups is a cheap and nasty way to bond with your group. If I was a woman I'd go and bang some feminists' heads together about this sort of stuff.
I do a bit as a man but it is hard work introducing critical ideas without being dismissed as uneducated or from the enemy tribe.

OTOH InCels do not lack authority within their specialised worlds. Those hands that have never touched a woman may have exquisite skill at computer gaming.
They may be an authority on the three 1990s porn cartoonists of the South Pacific, and speak several dialects of 4chan-ese.
They may possess a vault of memes so rare they would upset the world economy if all released at once.

They can find time to get on the internet and spread their toxic ideas. In my country alimony has never existed yet we have schoolboys convinced they are discriminated against because alimony. AWALT! they confidently proclaim, these chaps who have never so much as held a girl's gaze for more than a few seconds.

[–]tnonee 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Male feminists throw themselves at the feet of women as a way to get laid, and hate what they used to be.

[–]PrefixKitten 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I've always assumed that that doesn't actually work. What's the line they like to spout? "Women don't owe you anything" or something I believe. Women aren't going to have sex with someone they wouldn't have did it with to begin with just because he agrees to become her parrot.

It's sad how many people are being manipulated on a cultural level at this point without even being aware.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I've supported quite a bit of feminist stuff over the last 40 years and never got so much as a peck on the cheek for it, which is as it should be. Feminists understand giving out cookies in return for compliance would not attract useful allies, just a bunch of pussy-seeking hangers-on.

So male allies get snarled at regularly and unapologetically by some of the wilder women. If they can't take it then they are not going to be able to stand up for themselves outside a feminist safe space. And if their motivation disappears just because a few women were obnoxious, then they were just sheep and never really believed in their principles anyway.

I worry about what the kids are up to. SJW-ism has been adopted as a fashion statement and a competitive sport by some sectors, causing an explosion in Tumblrina & hipster silliness and a predictable backlash. They were too self-absorbed to notice they were helping put an anti-abortionist in the White House.

[–]cantspeakhuman7 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

these are in my humble opinion unrelated topic

[–]Spoopsnloops 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let it pass. All it's going to do is create more MGTOW and MGTOW-minded men.

[–]DougDante 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Action Opportunity: Be aware that admins are further censoring your speech on reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5iv5e0/action_opportunity_be_aware_that_admins_are/

[–]spendshi_YYC_Mayor2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm not going to lie; it seems to me like a lot of those incel posts are just made in the purpose of being edgy, and they may just be troll posts. People get called an incel over the smallest thing, so it's safe to assume that most of the stuff in that community is just half-assed messing around. I mean, look at this picture I found on

https://np.reddit.com/r/all/search?q=title%3Aincels&restrict_sr=&sort=top&t=all - Posts about incels

That's obviously just someone fucking around. And even if the dude is serious, who cares? There are more important things to worry about. It seems to me that, if being an incel is a real thing, it's just a more extreme version of MGTOW, and that's fine by me. People are allowed to express themselves differently, so fuck it.

[–]saladbowlthrow -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But incels are garbage, why should anybody care about those retards?

[–]GrenadeLauncher69696 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's easy to denigrate and dehumanize those who are below us.

"All those homeless people are just lazy, why don't the just get a job?"

"All those depressed people are just faggots, why don't they just suck it up?"

"All those incels are just losers, why don't they just get a life?"

Most incels are the way they are because of extreme marginalization turned into extreme resentment. Sure, calling them retards makes you feel good about yourself, but it solves absolutely nothing. Incels are just another class of men who will never receive the help they need in order to be integrated with the rest of society.

[–]saladbowlthrow -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not really. Incels are just cringey neckbeads who need to grow the fuck up, they're basically /r/niceguys who never aged past 13.

[–]JebberJabber 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Growing up is not a straightforward process to everybody. And now Incels have developed their own toxic variant of RedPill-ism many of them will be permanently unwanted, regardless of whether they get laid occasionally or not. I don't see a way to rescue those guys but the younger ones could be helped, before they disappear into their bedroom for six solid years.

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