if testosterone causes almost all evil then why does everyone seem to be fundamentally opposed to elective castration?

Massive_Ad_1520 · 2023-01-06T03:34:58+00:00

Over half of all evil is caused by a single mother raising a son.

The_Bearded_Cyclist · 2023-01-06T02:10:22+00:00

Here is a very interesting podcast on the science and social aspects related to testosterone.

I highly recommend it.

https://www.artofmanliness.com/health-fitness/health/how-testosterone-makes-men-men/

freenipple209 · 2023-01-06T06:11:17+00:00

It is bullshit.
In my 26 lifetime men were polite than women.
Critical point is this when women get power just watch her .
Sexual hormones effects may effect personality a little bit. Brain can soothe.
Mostly effects sexual desire. Brain may not soothe.

Perfectly-Not-Wrong · 2023-01-06T12:01:22+00:00

Assuming me posting a question in a feminists group asking "If Estrogen causes all the problems why are they giving us alimony after divorce?" what would be their reaction?

They would try to understand what I was trying to say indirectly
They would check all my previous posts in that group if there are similar ambiguous posts
They would block me

househubbyintraining · 2023-01-06T12:43:40+00:00

So i feel pretty confident about talking about men and their relationship with violence after doing a good amount of research on the connection between shame and violence, feel free to correct me and call me dumb, just be constructive.

Simply: humiliation/embarrsament > emotional disregulation > aggression > self-defeating behavior > violence

This is basically the formula for a mass shooting, murder, rape, etc (the most extreme form of aggressive self-defeating violence). Now the thing is that the majoroity of humans go down the route of emotional disregulation > depression, this has the same outcomes but the violence is self directed and ultimately results in suicide (the most extreme form of depressive self-defeating violence). So there are some condition that go into emotional disregulation > aggression that being: ASPD / BEING THE PUNISHER, TRAPPED (neurodivergence, socio-economic, and child abuse) BREAKING POINT (no other option but violence, child abuse) FEELING ASHAMED (acknowledging one is a looser) and MALE EXISTENCE

So that last condition actually has nothing to do with testerone but how we experience shame. Essentially respect plays a significant role in the lives of I'm pretty sure all men, (if you hate being emasculated, then you are one of them) This emasculation is what I'll just call male shame and male humiliation (humilation being the act of inflicting shame) The most intense form of male humiliation comes in adolescence from child abuse such as being severely beat by one's father, being abandoned by the father, being humiliated by the father, and so on.

Why fathers are incredibly important and also incredibly destructive is because a good father can help his son through male shame through just his existence, and with his acceptace and love completely destroy the emotional disregulation > aggression pathway (this doesnt make good fathers the solution though), the thing is, is a bad father can hyper-exaggerate male shame (this is why we must educate and promote the existence of good fathers) why I emphasize fathers is two fold:

the first is pretty obvious, the cycle of abuse "if it worked for me it will work for you", so for mothers they are much less severely abusive than fathers, due to them not expriencing male shame thus that concept of "it worked me" is much less common in a mothers abuse in contrast to a fathers abuse, and this is critically important, lastly on mothers, women are bared fron violence for a lot of reason in our culture, this removal from violence naturally makes them more on the spectrum of emotional disregulation > depression thus makes them less likely to commit severe violence on their son, and so they are barely appart of the process of perpetuating violence, but dealing with toxic male-shsming mothers is just as valuable as promoting good fathers. And one extra note, I hear we also treat boys more roughly than girls at early ages, boys more rougly, girls more gently, this probably contributes quietly to male violence, and from my personal experience, mothers do this more than fathers.

And the second reason is, the belief of "it worked for me" is very flawed even on the surface, but below the surface it is horrifying because violence A promotes violence B, and violence B will always be more intense than violence A. So therefore,

a boy who gets severely beat by belt, will beat his son by fists, and so his grandson is likely to end up in prison.

and this occurs in the justice system too I helieve, convicted criminals doing worse crimes after release, and shameful convicts are more likely to commit crimes after release (i haven't researched much of this last one, but it's what I hear)

Moral of the story, I hear feminist and non-MRA ppl in society (libs) say that men are more violent because muscles, which is just misandry of negligence, we're violent because no one cares about us, and are neglectful of what we are going through, and are more willing to shame us than be a helping hand. We are not violent because we can beat women to death if we wanted to.

pearl_harbour1941 · 2023-01-06T10:14:20+00:00

You're right it's a common idea (that men are violent, and it's because of testosterone). But the science doesn't back that up at all.

Women are nicer on testosterone.

Higher adrenaline is linked with higher violence (temperature was used as a proxy for adrenaline, as it is known that higher temperature induces higher adrenaline).

What society wants is not castrated men, but obedient servant men. Castrated men have almost no drive to do anything productive [science on mice here]. Men on trials of the male contraceptive pill (which reduces testosterone to zero) show clinical signs of depression (just like the mice in the linked study). Depression stops you doing anything productive.

What society wants is productive, controllable men. Testosterone makes productive, uncontrollable men, which is one reason it is being demonized.

ehWoc · 2023-01-06T08:03:33+00:00

There's testosterone that heightens one's self esteem and lowers impulse control, but there's intactivism.

What you're saying is equivalent to "women's wombs should be removed so that they aren't hysterical". Obviously this isn't how it works.

Mental health, personality, impulse control, are things that can be altered without the removal of one's organs.

Also, if you remove the testes, that indeed does lower the amount of testosterone in the body. Which makes muscle regeneration worse and changes the way the cells of the body regenerate.

Why would you destroy one's hormonal metabolism to "fix" something that can be adjusted in a noninvasive way?

Title	if testosterone causes almost all evil then why does everyone seem to be fundamentally opposed to elective castration?
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Date	January 6, 2023 2:06 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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