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Inspiring Hate - SPLC continues to label organization targeted for violence as a ‘hate’ group

robert32907

February 7, 2013

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Title	Inspiring Hate - SPLC continues to label organization targeted for violence as a ‘hate’ group
Author	robert32907
Upvotes	7
Comments	18
Date	February 7, 2013 4:42 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/181pwz/inspiring-hate-splc-continues-to-label-/
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[–]Grapeban-2 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

This is what hate is:

"We believe the evidence shows … that relative to the size of their population, homosexual men are more likely to engage in child sexual abuse than are heterosexual men." — Peter Sprigg, "Debating Homosexuality: Understanding Two Views." 2011.

“While activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. … It is a homosexual problem.” — FRC President Tony Perkins, FRC website, 2010

“Gaining access to children has been a long-term goal of the homosexual movement.” — Robert Knight, FRC director of cultural studies, and Frank York, 1999

“If President Obama and the powerful homosexual activist groups he is aligned with get their way [on marriage equality], it will be disastrous for America.” — Tony Perkins, FRC fundraising letter, October 2011

The FRC is a hate group.

[–]PowerWisdomCourage1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

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[–]PowerWisdomCourage1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No, they don't, but other groups and individuals have. I didn't mean to imply they did.

For one, the WBC thinks gays should be dead along with anyone that tolerates their existence, let alone supports it. The FRC, although misguided, close-minded, bigots; aren't doing what they do because they hate gays. They do what they do because they're trying to keep marriage "traditional." That certainly excludes gays, but their target isn't gays. It's marriage. Are there supporters of theirs who hate gays? Most certainly. There are always extremists, but the exclusion of gays from something that should be a right is a side effect. Not that cause.

In the same thinking, I don't consider your standard feminist part of a hate group even though the vast majority of their causes are taken to extents that are detrimental to men. I mean, we've taken away due process for men on college campuses. That's a right more inalienable than marriage in most civilized countries, yet it's gone because of rape hysteria. Are some feminists sitting back wringing their hands muttering "goooood, goooood." Absolutely, but they didn't go to those lengths with the intent to harm men. It was just a consequence.

I think the defining characteristic of a hate group is their "end." Not so much the "means" (the obvious aside). Although there are probably a lot of people that would disagree with me, I feel that unless your goal is making life worse for a person/group/race/etc. then you are not a hate group. You may not be helping (and you may be doing more harm than good), but you can't hate an idea, or concept, or law, or statistic in such a way to justify the label "hate group."

[–]robert329071 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Isn't it possible that homosexuals are more likely to engage in sex with minors than heterosexuals? I don't have the relevant statistics handy, but it's not like such a thing is inherently impossible.

Stating facts is not "hate." The truth is the ultimate defense. If what they are saying is true, then they aren't engaged in hate.

So, the first quote isn't hate (assuming there is some evidence to back it up).

The second quote is poorly phrased (I believe the term they were looking for was "comorbidity"), and the ellipsis suggests that there is some quote mining going on here.

The third quote sounds bad, but I am unsure of the context. And anyway, it's just one guy in the organization. I'm sure, for example, that a feminist could easily find a one-sentence quote from /r/MensRights that would sound pretty bad if completely removed from its context. That would not mean that the entire MRM is hateful, of course.

And the fourth quote is an opinion that is held by roughly half the country.

So I completely disagree with your characterization of the FRC as a hate group. It's unfortunate that politically incorrect opinions are denounced as "hate" so frequently in our society. It really poisons the political discourse.

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