I’ve done it, men | MensRights

Lostprophets0 · 2020-06-12T17:18:09+00:00

My girlfriend is no longer a feminist. She used to complain about the smallest womens issues and only acknowledged a few minor mens issues. Now, after months...

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I see your point. However I feel like the only way to accomplish all of our goal - and I think we share the same goal ultimately - is to eliminate personal identity from the discussion about what constitutes just behaviour.

If our goal ultimately is to have equality across the board. Like say everyone has the same responsibilities and rights then we don't actually need to mention the fact that those individuals are of a particular quality. We can simply say "This is what everyone's rights are and this is what is expected of them." and accept no appeals to a special case of identity.

If someone says "Well I'm X, so..." we simply don't accept that as a justification for upsetting the situation. If some adjustment needs to be made, like such and such requirements are unable to be met by everyone then the requirements change for everyone rather than being just for that particular group.

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A couple of things to mention:

Of course, there is no need to outright say "fuck off", just ignore it. However, if you're so scared of even telling a guy to fuck off, then carry a weapon; a knife, or even better: a gun, and practice self defense.

If you're in a situation where someone has an opportunity to assault you, you're walking through a sketchy area in the first place. Seriously, if you live an area where the response of a rebuffed guy is to punch you in the face, you live or are in a dangerous place. If you're in trouble, yes yell for help for the next person, most guys would chicken out. Meekly ignoring them will only motivate them to prey on you and others more. I'm not telling you this because of your gender, I'm telling you to do something about being afraid of walking on the streets. Perhaps just take the safe routes every time you go out.

In fact, my previous advice goes double to men, as they're the major victims of violent crime and murder, as well as stalking (except for rape, but it's not entirely rare). Men are the majority of criminals, but this is due to the fact that a lot of criminals are the result of abuse and lack of mental health care for men compared to women. Women can be and are as violent as men, and this shows in domestic violence statistics (it only takes a sharp object or a gun to even the playing field), and the fact mothers abuse their children more than fathers.

Also, wars? Really? Do you seriously think men enjoying going to wars? Those who enlist for the glory are duped kids that have no idea of the horrors they'll soon face. Men fight in wars because they are able-bodied, not because they are inherently violent. The amount of training men have to go through in the army would likely kill a woman's reproductive system, while being as half-efficient as the weakest soldier. That's why they have inherent value and weren't permitted to fight. Women historically practiced infanticide, does that mean they are inherent child killers as well? Queens have started wars more than kings, how about that?

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We are not feminists, we can judge peoples words on merit not their idenity (main problem with feminism, mainly due to its arguements being so weak and not able to stand on two legs hence name calling) Im not relly interested in someones post history.

I get what biscuit is saying, but I dont understand the point???

And yes for women there is that one dynamic of they feel (largely down to feminism making women little wimps) helpless in those men situations (on the other hand its entirely valid, due to the strenghth thing and threat but it is still a huge overexageration due to feminism making women helpess victims)... I do think you are overlooking this fact, physically women would feel helpeless

and then for the man there is the aspect that maybe she is overlookng that men are gynocentric, wouldnt hit woen, and there is simping and whiteknighting

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I agree with your overall point, men have violence as an option in a way women dont... women are not violence as a class in the same way and you dont worry about them in that way... yet you post here is just feminst propaganda... yes in a way it is true... men are more violent as they are stronger, and violence for women isnt an option... they have to express power or evil in other ways female violence, weapons, getting men to do it for them, character assinations, bitching, backbiting etc.

As for the propaganda:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnpopularFacts/comments/gvigb4/throughout_history_queens_were_more_likely_to/

queens are more violent than kings, women vote for war (for men to go to war), and support war just as much as men e.g. encourage or even shame men to go to war, do the stuff men need to go to war e.g. make bombs,... basically evything except actually fight

and womens weakness is considered in society as are most biological female disadvantages e.g. dont hit girls, women exempt from mialtry, women dont do dangerous jobs or hard jobs, women only sports is a thing, men dont go around invading womens sports or making a thing of men being stronger** e.g. male children can beat most world records for elite female athletes, men are't going around doing that and take it easy when dealing with women or in sports... maybe its an inferioty complex thing, as women are the exact opposite in trying to highlight any possible advantage women may have in anything ** the only time I have seen it is by TERF feminists who made a website of number of amatueur boys beating olympic record womens athletes records to show that trans men should not compete in womens sports.

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With the trans thing... I have no issue with trans rights, I just dont know what to do... society will start to work it out as it become bigger. My hunch is letting trans men into womens sports as it stands it not a good idea, but look I dont know

As for women being bitchy, well women exert power and control like men do They dont have the physical means to be a threat in most cases. Evoloution is not stupid, it just means women have done other things to get power:

https://youtu.be/DyMcbLCDJy4

https://youtu.be/bwOne6dYZLg

Women have huge power in society so the idea of a patriachy is laughable. There are whole spheres men are nearly entirely excluded from are female domains of power children, many relatioship things, consumer spending, healthcare decisions.... and the idea of women really wanting to give this up is luaghbale... i.e. feminsit complaining about household chores (false stats anyway), or child custody... when the truth is these are mainly womens fault as they are gate keeping and the truth is they ont want to cede any power... yeah right most women actually want to give men more domestic or childcare control, most women dont even want men to have months of patnerity leave if it means theirs is taken (I got the stertch marks, I want the time off!!) and feminisms power is that it blames men for these things

https://www.fatherhood.org/fatherhood/maternal-gatekeeping-why-it-matters-for-children https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relationships/11401315/At-home-women-treat-men-as-if-they-are-barely-competent.html

and of course USAs biggest feminsit organisation has blocked shared paretning for 30 years in the USA!! and has kept lifetime alimony.

and yes due to decades of feminism, feminists do feel opressed and are whiny and pathetic people.... a relatively new thing as before as women have always been tough

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Oh yeah, all studies show it... slut shaming bitchiness, most misogny, online abuse, is all by females on other females... the hilarous thing about feminsim is it blames men for this... all this how hard it is to be a woman on the internt and blaming men... when study after study shows its all women doing this to women, even the death and rape threats... and women juding each others appearance, who keeps an sustains the beaity and gossip indiustry? And lol women saying its misogny that they are judged on their appearance and men aren't e.g on red carpet? Hello the man is wearing a generic black suit... you have flase hair, eyelashes, eyebrows done up, makeup (i.e. literal face paint), lip fillers, lipstick, straightened (you literally put metal irons on your hair), and thats just the face lets not talk about the clothes and body... and you think its sexism women are judged on their looks? If men did that too we be judged too... but as it stands what are you going to say about a man in a black suit?

https://youtu.be/Mgq-Kfy3Rz0

Oh its a valid issue certainly, but sexism, misongy etc... lol this is why feminsim is a joke and has made women into miserable little whiners

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Where I agree with you is, no men are not opressed just as women aren't. The main difference being is men (as a class) dont see themselves as vitcims and are very much individualistic (which is all good, although it mixes badly with the following:) while women (as a class due to feminsim), ironiacally the more privelged they get, see them selves as eternal victims and often their own shortcomings are due to "sexism". The point we need to reach is the removal of identity politics so we just deal with issues and dont see everything as gendered. The main progress forward will be when gender equality means gender equality rather than womens issues.

So.. to what you said:

Nope instead of making blanket statements which are often based on old historitcal ideas, lets look at facts an studies. Underqualified, underskilled women are routinely over promoted (see study about women being being preferred 2:1 when gender is known over IDENTICAL men or BETTER men, and how gender blind benifits men - hence femintis have dropped the idea of genderal blind recruitment as they realised it benifits men massively)

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnpopularFacts/comments/ght5dj/teachers_mark_girls_higher_for_identical_work_to/

Also see studies above in that link about women getting fake postive feedback and having bad feedback hidden while men get real harsh feedback... this is as simple as putting a female name on your report and it goes up 1 full mark (and the articles reporting this actually call this sexism against women, which to a certain extent I can see, but clearly this is affecting men)

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Where did you learn that? Was it a general feeling or was it articles? If you can remember.

I mean if you are good, STEM is a hugggggee advantage if you are a female, you will be promoted and fasttracked just based on yoru gender not your competence, as many STEM women are saying how being female is huge asset, and they are are even telling feminsits to shut up as they are putting women off in STEM by falsely claiming it is sexist.

Even at the legal level this is enshrined in to law e.g:

https://gov.scot/publications/gender-representation-public-boards-scotland-act-2018-statutory-guidance/pages/7/ scottish 51% male sexist but 100% female acceptable... also even when 50:50 is reached or 100% feamle you must still offer women only mentoring, interview preperaton, advertise to women only as well! Also that legislation bans companies from reporting when they hired a woman OVER an equally qualified men just for being woman.

And as I said for most senrior positions in companies now, you literlly have to write a letter of apoology pretty much stating the reasons you could not hire a woman (really)

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Very few people here, apart from a few wallowing posts fall into the gender opression olympics that you are discussing... in fact that is the hall mark feature of feminism (asteroid kills all humans... women most affected, 1/4 homless peopel are women etc)... men don't blame their problems on sexism and just get on with it.... men generally feel in control of thei destiny... women of previous generations did that too (i.e a pragmatic view of life), and many women who reject feminsim now do, but large swathes of women and most certainly the media are opression olympics pathetic victims who use sexism to shield their own insecurities and shortcomings. Of course some of it is just they have been brainwashed. Anyway, MRAs may mention stats etc as they are not widely known, and infact most peopel would deny there is any issue (or as you thought women actually have a hiring bias against them in 2020 when actully you have to write a letter to the CEO or board now in most companies if you DONT choose the woman candidate, so youre simply wrong, and yes women are being routinely overpaid and over promoted)

As I said, most people here are egaliairian. MRA is a very practical matter, there are a few laws that need changing and a few ideas e.g. gamma bias that do too... thats it, men are not opressed, we do not blame women or patriarchy like feminsits do, and

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I think this is the strength of MRA... we are not whiny bitches like feminsim who blame all their own short comings on sexism... MRA is very practical, there are a few a legal issues that need changing e.g. male on conscription, some societal stuff e.g. criminal justics system, education and a few other society stuff gamma bias..

they can be practically fixed, we dont need to burn bras or do a million man marches, we dont need a feminsti equivlent... normal poltical lobbying etc will do, and some change in universities and media etc.

If men had the will we could do this instantly, just as men can do anything to shape the modern world e.g. create the internet, social media, AI, etc or any invention or social pheonomen... its just a case of getting the interet started

If mens education, health keep falling, it probably will be noticed soon as an economic issue and start to be addressed

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Encourage her to speak to her friends about it. People are far more likely to accept this information coming from a woman.

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Feminism, the belief in social, economic, and political equality of the sexes.

Why would you or your girlfriend not be a feminist?

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Title	I’ve done it, men
Author	Lostprophets0
Upvotes	156
Comments	89
Date	June 12, 2020 5:18 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/h7ox75/ive_done_it_men/
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