Misandry

Altkog · 2022-03-23T08:33:57+00:00

How is it fair to say "Whoever asked the other person out should pay" when it's expected of men to ask women out? So many "strong, independent woman" refuse to pay for food they eat. I guess partly because they expect to be put on a pedestal and a lot of men will.

CawlinAlcarz · 2022-03-23T15:10:45+00:00

Of course it's misandry. There are TONS of women in the online dating world looking for free meals.

Of course women are aware of the oxymoron of saying that it shouldn't be the MAN who always pays, it should be the one who asks for the date, when they know good and well that almost no dates will even happen if the man doesn't do the asking.

Listen guys, women aren't particularly clever with these sorts of manipulations. Maybe they used to be (or maybe not), but today, given that society does not hold women accountable for their actions, they have been emboldened to not even attempt to try to hide their deceptions.

The reality is that the narrative tells them and YOU that men are stupid and that there is no need for women to attempt to hide their deceptions from men since the men wouldn't recognize them in the first place. Women are further told that the odd man who does recognize the deception can be easily and readily shamed back into his lane as the walking ATM.

Don't fall for it.

Ask for a date at a local coffee shop where you can both get in line and order your coffee and scone or biscotti, or whatever the hell it is that people eat at those places, and pay individually. Then you can sit and have a conversation. If the woman isn't willing to go on such a date with you, you can SAFELY conclude that a) she's not into you - no harm, no foul - everyone moves on, or b) she's only looking for free expensive meals from people she has no additional interest in. Either way, it's a win-win for you as you just avoided wasting time and $ on her.

The value of sex is what it ultimately comes down to for you, as the man. What are you willing to pay for it? Are you willing to pay X number of hours to this person and/or X number of dollars or not? If you're not, move on, find someone who will operate on your terms. They exist, I promise you they do. They usually aren't on dating apps.

OldEgalitarianMRA · 2022-03-23T15:47:29+00:00

On bright side, the fourth root post was pretty good and got over 434 up votes:

This is one of the most toxic threads I’ve seen on here and that’s saying something. I can’t believe people are trying to throw shade at you financially which is not what the situation is about. That being said, it’s tough. It’s 2022 and yes splitting the check is OK. However, what is philosophically right doesn’t always match up with what is practically expected. But also, do you want to be with someone who has such strict and antiquated views on gender?Look for the positives in rejection. This is not the right fit. She can throw whatever she wants at you, but that says more about her than it does you. If she likes you but splitting the check was the deal breaker, then she doesn’t like you that much or is a bit more into gender roles than you are.If you want to split the difference, coffee dates are good because you can be “gentlemanly” at only $5 a drink. It is a compliment to cover someone else’s drink/food because you’re saying worth it to get to know them. Also because of gender norms, if you go to a fancy place, you might catch her out of the blue when you ask to split. Just think about the context.At the end of the day, some people will expect it and criticize you and others will totally understand. What type of person do you want to be with?

Then this one got only about 46 upvotes:

To be honest with you it’s just a nice gesture. You asked her out and in my opinion I like the guy to at least offer to pay for the first date. When they do I always insist on paying for the second so for me it’s not really like I’m trying to get a bunch of free meals. When someone doesn’t at least try to go for the check and pick up the first date I assume they didn’t have the best time and feel like the date wasn’t worth them spending money on.

At least 10 times as many women believe that it is his business to have standards and that the simple process of asking a person out doesn't relegate you to pay in the opinion of 10% as many women.

I'm glad to see egalitarian ideas are catching on in a majority of women.

TendieDinner777 · 2022-03-23T08:36:59+00:00

I’m fine with the expectation that men will pay for at least the first date.

However, it should be acknowledged that this enables women, who are already in the driver’s seat of green lighting sex and a relationship, the ability to have endless first dates, while men who aren’t wealthy are limited in their ability to see what’s out there.

MBV-09-C · 2022-03-23T19:31:04+00:00

Gotta say, I love how there's a lot of people encouraging that the woman should hide the fact she's expecting a man to pay until after the bill comes over letting him know that beforehand as if it were a viable "secret test of character" and not just poor communication skills wasting their time.

Title	Misandry
Author	Traditional-Scratch5
Upvotes	13
Comments	6
Date	March 23, 2022 7:46 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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