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Outsourcing Porn

thetrollking

September 14, 2011

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http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2011/09/12/outsourcing-porn/#more-19886

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Title	Outsourcing Porn
Author	thetrollking
Upvotes	3
Comments	12
Date	September 14, 2011 6:22 AM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/kf3y0/outsourcing_porn/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/outsourcing-porn.1034662 https://theredarchive.com/post/1034662

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[–]Offensive_Brute 7 points8 points9 points 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]girlwriteswhat 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The ensuing discussion is more fun...in the poking myself in the eye with a pencil is fun kinda way.

Regardless of the statistics, I think the article does a fair job of starting to explore issues of sexual freedom and empowerment, and sexual coercion and exploitation. But again, it's one-sided--a kind of "buying sex when you know it harms someone is wrong, dude" without a corresponding "selling sex when it is leading you to be harmed is wrong, girl."

There's a lot of talk about when sex is work, desire is immaterial to consent, and workers make a conscious choice to value the money over any aversion they might have to performing--I would liken it to any number of onerous, unpleasant, potentially injurious jobs men do because they are well-compensated for it, such as oil rig work. That as long as these workers are free to work or not, they are not being exploited--on the contrary, a wage 10 times that of minimum wage would provide as much incentive to consent to inflict damage on one's mental health as a rig-pig's pay is an incentive for him to consent to inflict damage on his physical health.

But there's also a lot of talk about how disgusting it is to think that male consumers are aware that webcam workers in Asia and Eastern Europe are being harmed by the work, and still get off on it. Myself, I don't see this as much different from the millions of people who shop at Walmart, knowing the sweatshop workers producing those cheap, cheap goods are being exploited, because buying more expensive clothes would mean giving up their daily latte.

Me? I like my porn. I'm glad the industry usually pays women well enough that there are women willing make a conscious choice to do that work. Work of any kind is often onerous and damaging to individuals, and we know this even as we're consuming the goods and services those workers provide.

Or, like I tell my young coworkers who whine that they hate this or that aspect of their job, "No one would be paying you if you wanted to be here doing this shit, you know. That's called a hobby."

[–]IHaveALargePenis 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]foerthan 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I read it through to the end, but I can't say I was too impressed.

The entire article is basically implying that wanting someone to "cater to your sexual desires" is something to be concerned about, and can be tied to exploitation. To me, the entire LiveJasmine point was just entirely off base in the first place. Is it really hard to believe that people find having a live person, who isn't a porn star, and is willing to cater to your fantasies simply more exciting than watching some random porn clip? Apparently so, because she immediately jumps into exploitation...

By talking about seeing men buying underage prostitutes in Cambodia. I mean, hold on a second here. Did we really just jump from legally consenting adults of a legal age to child prostitution? And then go right back into talking about how hiring adult women from lower income countries is exploitation? Just what are you trying to get at exactly, lady?

And then, again, she ignores the possibility (or rather, conflates it with racism and exploitation at the end) that someone might prefer to hire a (adult) prostitute from another country for any variety of reasons besides exploitation and control. I mean, certainly, it's not because the it's less likely for others to find out when you do it in those places, right? Oh, and surely, it's not because prostitution is illegal in most places in the US, and then those you can hire, are generally more expensive or anything of the like. And it would just be absurd to think that someone just finds women from that region more attractive. Honestly, who has ever heard of a Westerner finding Asian people attractive? If there was some widespread phenomenon like that, we'd obviously have some name like "Yellow Fever" for it or something.

But yeah. Wanting someone to fulfill your sexual fantasies is obviously exploitation. Spouses and SO's don't cater to each other's preferences at all. And even if they did, it's not like there's any kind of repercussions from failing to do so. I mean, relationships are never ruined because of sexual issues, that would just be silly. (Note: I'm not saying that losing a relationship and not being able to eat are equivalent issues. They certainly aren't. But automatically assuming that the hirer is not only perfectly aware of the lady's financial status, but is specifically seeking her out for those reasons, without even considering alternate theories, is just absurd. To me, exploitation requires the knowledge. If you offer a prostitute $100 and she readily accepts, and then you try to argue it down to $70 because you noticed how quickly she accepted, even if she is to the point of only having enough money for one more meal, that's not exploitation. If you KNOW that she's down to one more meal, and argue for the decrease because of that fact, then it's exploitation.)

And let's not forget, everyone, that's it's impossible to have a fetish for a race or ethnicity. That is quite obviously nothing but racism.

(/s)

[–]Offensive_Brute -1 points0 points1 point 14 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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