/r/AskMen has a conversation about the MRM

2013-08-31T05:45:39+00:00

Dear god, I hate this logic:

From his point of view, yeah he probably does. Most of men's rights issues come from patriarchy. The idea that we can't ask for help or shouldn't have to take care of kids comes from the perpetuity of men having power.

Just blame everything on some made up term. Fucking hell. The part that pisses me off most? Is feminists accuse MRA's of thinking there is some vast feminist conspiracy that seeks to oppress men, and they mock the entire idea. And then they justify their actions by saying there is some vast masculine conspiracy that seeks to oppress women.

They're projecting their own insecurities onto us for fucks sake.

ArstanWhitebeard · 2013-08-31T06:55:17+00:00

I was in this thread and posted quite a few comments. I would say the biggest thing I learned was that at best, the Men's Movement is seen as kind of “the other side of the coin” to feminism.

Honestly, my advice to you guys is to be EXTREMELY CAREFUL in the language you use. If this is truly a movement about equality, then it should treat both genders fairly and equally, and chiefly that means when something posted in this sub is anti-women or paints things with too broad a brush, you should all respond by downvoting the comment and correcting its mistake in your reply. Realize that anything ANYONE OF YOU says can and will be held as evidence against ALL OF YOU in the court of public opinion.

And by the way, I am not saying you guys do not already take these actions (because I have seen tons of examples). I am just reminding you that it should be a system/movement wide priority to put your best foot forward, particularly when you are dealing with a (somewhat) mainstream perception of you as angry male-supremacists. Most of you are already aware of this and do not need someone like me to remind you.

And you might be thinking, “why do we have to be so tame, so careful in our language when the feminists do not?” And you would have a point. It isn't fair. But if your goal is to increase awareness of your movement (and thereby affect more change), you need to accept the unfairness for what it is and not stoop to the same level that certain strands of feminism do (you've got problems with feminism, remember? So why try to act like it?). To that end, you need to go above and beyond the call of duty. You need to seem like the reasonable, friendly skeptic in the room full of crazy conspiracy theorists. That is how you gain ground and how you change minds.

With this in mind, it is worth discussing to what extent the MHRM is taking action to change its image and whether or not there are more effective avenues and opportunities that might be explored in the future.

Caujin · 2013-08-31T06:06:00+00:00

The prevailing arguing point in this thread went somewhere along the lines of "radical feminists and radical MRAs are both bad." There was a sufficient amount of commentary on the actions of radical (or mainstream, if you prefer) feminists, but all I saw in terms of 'extremist MRAs' was that they wanted to "dominate the conversation with totalitarian ideologies" and that they "slander women." Nearly every time the words "extremist feminist" or "radical feminist" were seen they were in tangent with the same applied to MRAs, as though you could look under a fucking rock and find a radical MRA who thinks women as a collective gender have no issues and thinks himself superior.

Am I missing something? Is it really that easy to find a radical MRA? Are they that vocal? This may be the wrong place to ask, but could someone give me a couple examples? If not then the term "radical MRA" was used pervasively in that thread as a tool to disassociate one's self from direct advocation of the movement.

poorlytaxidermiedfox · 2013-08-31T08:31:05+00:00

These guys keep talking about "radical MRA's". What in the fuck is a "radical" MRA? I've spent the better part of a year here and have not seen any of the vitriol and baseless anger these guys seem to connect with MRM.

KRosen333 · 2013-08-31T05:58:55+00:00

Don't worry so much about what others who don't actually understand what we talk about and do here misunderstand about us; if it comes up, great, but don't go out seeking arguments for the sake of arguments, and don't obsess over them. It just keeps us from our work. :)

Title	/r/AskMen has a conversation about the MRM
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Date	August 30, 2013 11:14 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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