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Research has found that the comparatively formidable physicality of men may make it more challenging to view them as deserving of sympathy.

AntiWokeGayBloke

January 10, 2023
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/r/MensRights
https://www.queermajority.com/essays-all/man-up-and-take-it-do-we-under-detect-mens-suffering
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Title Research has found that the comparatively formidable physicality of men may make it more challenging to view them as deserving of sympathy.
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AntiWokeGayBloke

Upvotes 63
Comments 12
Date January 10, 2023 1:50 AM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/107x34o/research_has_found_that_the_comparatively/
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[–]TrilIias 21 points22 points23 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

participants were asked to read a vignette depicting harm in the workplace. For this experiment, we specified the gender of the inflictor but left the recipient’s gender ambiguous. Participants were then asked to “recall” the gender of the harmed individual. Supporting our predictions, we found they were overwhelmingly more likely to assume that the harmed individual was female, even though we never specified any gender. People instinctively assumed a female victim!

This is interesting. When I was in graduate school we had an in-class assignment where we were given a list of people at a firm and their qualifications and job description, and we were to decide who to fire. This one woman, who was a very vocal feminist, asked if anyone had noticed that of the three interns, the male intern was paid more than the others. Someone pointed out that the male intern had been working there several years longer.

What I found more interesting was that each employee was listed by only their last name, we only knew genders if pronouns were used in their descriptions. The "male" intern who earned more had no pronouns in his or her description. This woman, who was generally an awful person, had simply assumed that the intern being unfairly payed more was male, even though no gender was specified.

[–]MicrosoftOSX 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

😂 she just assumed hahahha its like she is sexist against women believe they cant earn more

[–]Paid-Not-Payed-Bot 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

being unfairly paid more was

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[–]TrilIias 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I went to graduate school, I don't need to know how to spell.

[+]Mobile-Aioli-454 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And that woman is the kind of person responsible for gendered generalisations. And probably why feminism have such a bad reputation nowadays. It doesn’t make things better anyway

[–]TrilIias 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I'm not surprised by the study, what's blowing my mind is that this article is coming from a website called "Qu*** Majority." I've often found that MRAs are disproportionately LGB, but still LGB people are notoriously left wing and also notoriously feminist.

This is really good to see.

[–]hendrixski 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Nah, anti-male biases don't fit anywhere on the political spectrum and advocating for men's issues don't fit neatly in the political spectrum. For example, it's democrats who are trying to end the male-only draft and republicans who are saying they want to send their sons but not their daughters to die in war.

My theory, what I think happened, is a lot of right wing groups are anti-feminist and some think that means the same thing as being pro equality for men. It's not the same, because there are a lot of pro-mens-rights activists that are ok with feminism (even prominent ones like Warren Farrel) and there are lots of anti-feminists who also hurt men with the "real man" bullshit. But uninformed people think it's the same so they think MRA is right wing.

[–]TrilIias 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

I'll preface by saying I generally agree, and I've been permabanned from r/conservative for daring to criticize Trump for saying there's a "war on women." I know how much conservatives suck on men's rights issues.

However, as far as the draft, I do not buy that Democrats were trying to bring about equality.

Here's what I think happened. A men's rights group got the courts to acknowledge that male only draft was unconstitutional. It went to the Supreme Court, but they said they would not rule on it since it was a military matter (apparently something that involves all 18-26 year old civilian males is a military matter) and thus SCOTUS preferred to leave the decision to Congress, since Congress was already considering it anyway.

So Congress considered it in 2021. Democrats controlled both the House and Senate and the Presidency, and the only other branch of government has already agreed to stay out of it. Opposing female conscription isn't a uniting issue for the minority Republican party. If Democrats wanted it, they could have had it. But they didn't get it. What a shame, right?

Well at least the good news is that now that Congress hasn't fixed this unconstitutional law, and they aren't now considering the issue, SCOTUS can step in like they are supposed to and maintain the constitution right? Oh wait, its 2022 and Congress is considering it again, so SCOTUS should back off. The Democrats still control Congress, they can do it this time around. Oh wait, they failed again? Darn.

​

Everything the Democrats have done has not only failed to bring about equal conscription, but the things they have done were necessary to prevent it from happening anyway.

Neither party wants to conscript women, because it's not going to boost their votes. The Democrats would look like hypocrites if they outright opposed it, so they let Republicans take the fall for it. Both parties are working together to prevent equal conscription, so I'm not giving Democrats a pass on this one.

[–]hendrixski 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The Democrats would look like hypocrites if they outright opposed it, so they let Republicans take the fall for it. Both parties are working together to prevent equal conscription

That's a speculation.

Democrats are also pushing the ERA, which would also end gender-biased conscription.

[–]TrilIias 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Democrats are also pushing the ERA, which would also end gender-biased conscription.

Are we talking about the ERA with or without the Hayden rider?

[–]pumpkineater1031 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are there any sources for any of what you said? Because mere speculation isnt gonna get us anywhere.

[–]TrilIias 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Speculation about what? The only thing I speculated about is that I think the Democrats' "failure" was actually intentional, a mere attempt to save face. You want me to provide a source proving that politicians engaged in manipulation before you will consider that politicians may have engaged in manipulation? What kind of source would be acceptable and possible? A confession? I'm not counting on any politicians publicly admitting that they've done what I'm accusing them of. Why would they? It's not like I'm accusing them of anything unlikely or unheard of for politicians, in fact, I think the scenario I described makes more sense. I don't think anything else makes sense at all. The party in control of the government failed to win on an issue that doesn't invite strong partisan opposition from the minority party? How does that happen?

Politicians don't get the benefit of the doubt. "Mere speculation isnt gonna get us anywhere" isn't realistic in politics.

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