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'Slut Walk' Straw Men

CremasterGuy

May 24, 2011

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Title	'Slut Walk' Straw Men
Author	CremasterGuy
Upvotes	49
Comments	84
Date	May 24, 2011 12:14 PM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/hiu70/slut_walk_straw_men/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/slut-walk-straw-men.1039519 https://theredarchive.com/post/1039519

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[–]devotedpupa 8 points9 points10 points 15 years ago (80 children) | Copy Link

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[–]goodgirl_1234 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I find it hard to imagine clothing does not have an impact on a womans chances of getting raped by a stranger

Most rapes are perpetrated by someone known to the victim (upwards of around 70%- as per the U.S. Dept of Justice).

'slut' (and according to these people that's not a bad word anymore)

As a slut, I question you, what man doesn't want a slut? If you say no...i challenge you to be married to a wholesome girl for a few years. (I am a slut for my man...and who ever else we play with...it ain't a bad thing.)

perhaps not dressing like a 'slut' may help your chances of not being raped.

Again- this is the WHOLE reason the slutwalks were formed (I think at least). It's a really really ignorant statement to make. Just look at the statistics. (Now, are some uber fem-nazis going to use this opportunity to spread their shitty propaganda? Of course- but I don't feel like getting into that, because I think it's just as ridiculous as all of you probably do.)

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Me? I think different people rape in different circumstances for different reasons, like any crime. Not all murders are the same, or all thefts. I think some rapes are about power (particularly in war situations) but I think others are more about sex (drunken frat boys) and others are about intimidation. I think many are ignorance and poor socialization-- some men have the idea that nice girls say no, no matter what, but it doesn't mean they don't want it. I think some women have the idea that no guy ever says no to sex, so he'll think it's hot to wake up to having sex with a stranger. I think drinking makes bad ideas sound better, which is why alcohol is involved with lots of rapes.

The "rape is always about power, never about sex" thing only makes sense in the context of a world where men are always dominant to women and use sex as a tool to perpetuate that dominance. While I think that happens in some cases, I don't think it's the universal backdrop to rape, or women would never rape men, or other women, and men raping women would more common than it is (not that we truly know how common or uncommon it is, given the wide acceptance that rape is underreported and more and more evidence that reported rapes are 6-40% false).

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In many other species of animals Rape is a tactic employed by certain less desirable males in order to procreate. There is a certain species of Scorpion that has a little hook on it's stinger specifically 'designed' to allow it to rape females when it cannot procreate via other methods.

My belief is that certain human males are genetically or psychologically more pre-disposed to rape than others, and they use rape as a reproductive strategy just like any other.

If what I'm saying is correct, what a woman wears and looks like would have a huge impact of whether they are 'selected' to be raped or not. The rapist who is employing rape as a reproductive strategy would want to choose a victim with all the classic indicators of female fertility.

Granted, a lot of people, especially in relationships use rape as a tool of power. They probably are even in the majority. But I think the somewhat scary truth is that that isn't always the case.

In my opinion the best way to help stop rapes would be to reform the prisons (as male rape is if anything just as serious a problem) and teach women proactive, statistically tried and tested advice on how to avoid being raped.

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". . . nothing really happens."

As founder of False Rape Society, I find your comment incredibly insensitive and personally offensive.

While most men and boys falsely accused are not convicted, most are scarred permanently by the ordeal. Many are beaten, threatened, spat upon, and fired from their jobs. Many lose their businesses, their life savings, their wives, girlfriends and the affection of their children. Spend a few months (that's how long it will take) reading through the news stories my blog chronicles and you'll see every one of those examples.

And it gets worse. Countless men and boys have killed themselves after experiencing the indignity of a false rape claim. I am currently working on a lengthy piece to illustrate this tragic phenomenon. Sadly, the writer doesn't concern herself with that triviality. And many end up dead because of a false rape claim.

Remember Daniel Cicciaro, 17? He was shot when he angrily confronted another young man after a girl falsely claimed the latter had raped her.

Remember Sumbo Owoiya, 18? He was shot through his front door when a 15-year-old girl falsely told her boyfriend he had raped her.

Remember Cory Headen, 19? He was beaten to death with a baseball bat by another 19-year-old man when two girls claimed he had raped one of them.

Remember John Chalmers, 47? He had to relearn everything he knew after a man beat him under the wrong-headed belief Mr. Chalmers had raped his sister.

Remember Devin LaSalle? Darrell Roberson shot him to death when he caught him with Mr. Roberson's wife, and the wife falsely claimed she was being raped.

Remember Cody Wightman, 25? He was beaten with a claw hammer by a group of young men after a young woman falsely told them Mr. Wightman had raped her.

Remember Michael Zenquis? He was beaten by an angry mob of men in Philadelphia after he was wrongly accused of raping an 11-year-old girl.

Remember Damon Hadley, 17? He was savagely beaten on his way out of school by his girlfriend's father after she falsely told her father Damon had raped her.

And I could go on and on and on. Go look them up on my blog. They are all there, and many more.

And the next time you have a notion to trivialize the the awfulness of a false rape claim, read this: http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/p/lamb-to-slaughter-hofstra-false-rape.html

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Lots of good points in this article. I agree that the Slut Walk definitely does it part in constructing straw men. These woman take Constable Sanguinetti's words ["women should avoid dressing like sluts in order not to be victimized”] and turn them into "if a woman dresses like a slut, she deserves to be raped." Ludicrous.

However, with regards to this point:

No sane and rational person in 2011 believes rapists should be given a free pass because of the way women dress, and to suggest otherwise is a vapid straw man.

Indeed, how can you argue with this? Unfortunately, we've got Justice Robert Dewar giving probation to a man convicted of rape basically because the girl was dressed proactively. I know this is a glib interpretation, but it cuts directly against the above point. It's hard to say it's all straw men when you've got officers of the court acting in this manner. It may be the girls who are doing the building, but men like Dewar are providing the straw.

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