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The professional imperative for obstetrician-gynecologists to discontinue newborn male circumcision.

memymineown

July 16, 2011

10 upvotes

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=The+professional+imperative+for+obstetrician-gynecologists+to+discontinue+newborn+male+circumcision

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Title	The professional imperative for obstetrician-gynecologists to discontinue newborn male circumcision.
Author	memymineown
Upvotes	10
Comments	10
Date	July 16, 2011 12:26 AM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/iqwjd/the_professional_imperative_for/
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[–]InfinitelyThirsting 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

[–]kanuk876[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]BolshevikMuppet -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]kanuk876[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

I think you're oversimplifying in order to find your way to a conclusion you find more agreeable.

A few minutes of googling turned up several links like this:

http://www.noharmm.org/firstcut.htm

"Before circumcision, the sensitivity was like color TV. Afterwards, it's like black and white."

"...(M)ost men have learned to live with their minimalist members."

http://www.foreskin-restoration.net/forum/showpost.php?p=25263&postcount=3

http://www.foreskin-restoration.net/forum/archive/index.php?t-3805.html

Honestly. You are arguing that amputation of the majority of nerves in the penis does not affect pleasure. Those nerves are (were) wired directly into the oldest part of your brain (the so-called 'lizard' brain responsible for sleeping, eating and sex.)

Those parts of your brain will now never be activated. Ever. You think that doesn't matter? You think that doesn't have an effect?

I like the color vs black-and-white TV analogy. Are you saying color TV doesn't matter because understanding of the image occurs in the brain?

Are you saying sex for a man is only and exclusively about orgasm, as though all orgasms are the same?

How about some intellectual honesty here.

[–]BolshevikMuppet -1 points0 points1 point 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I like the color vs black-and-white TV analogy. Are you saying color TV doesn't matter because understanding of the image occurs in the brain?

Bad analogy. Your argument is basically "there's a decrease in sensitivity/loss of nerves, so there must be a loss of pleasure from orgasm" and yet no evidence to support it. It's the same tired "less sensitive must mean less pleasure, right?" argument that lacks intellectual honesty. If you have proof of loss of sensation, say there's a loss of sensation. If you have proof of less pleasure and satisfaction from sex, say there's less pleasure and satisfaction. Don't use evidence of the first to claim the second.

Furthermore, any argument relying on "well, they only think they're satisfied" is fallacious on its face. It's begging the question in a fairly direct way. You assume that men who are perfectly satisfied with their circumcised penises would be unsatisfied if offered the alternative, but that assumes that there's a reason to be unsatisfied.

Furthermore, "noharmm" and "foreskin-resortation.net" are hardly the kind of peer-reviewed journals we like to see around here.

I like the color vs black-and-white TV analogy. Are you saying color TV doesn't matter because understanding of the image occurs in the brain?

The brain actually reacts differently to a color picture than black-and-white. There is a different neurological process. Here's the thing, though: I accept that the process of viewing those pictures is different.

But, if both produce an emotional response (say, sadness), are you claiming that the emotional reaction will be different solely because the sensory input was different?

Are you saying sex for a man is only and exclusively about orgasm, as though all orgasms are the same?

All other things being equal, I have seen no evidence for a difference between a foreskin-possessing orgasm versus a circumcised orgasm. But, I'll tell you what: I'll design the protocol for the experiment if you fund it. Deal?

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