Washington Post: What a massive sexual assault survey found at 27 top U.S. universities

cmumford · 2015-09-21T19:54:54+00:00

This is so depressing. Yet another "scientific" survey. For those of you not yet married you have a 100% chance of an "unwanted sexual contact" from your spouse at some point. Is it time to start (sorry continue) to legislate sex in marriage?

I've been saving my son's entire life to send him to college. The past few months have really started me wondering if I'm doing the right thing here.

tio1w · 2015-09-21T20:13:00+00:00

It's curious that the more technically inclined the college is, the lower the rates.

I wonder why?...

colourful_opinion · 2015-09-21T20:56:04+00:00

I dislike how dishonestly the text is structured.

When you read the methodology, it's clear that there's four criteria: force, coercion, by abuse of incapacitation, and without prior consent. The way these stats are presented in this article, however, paints it as non-consensual being the broad category, and the other three are within it:

"The survey found that 23 percent of undergraduate women and 5 percent of undergraduate men said they were victims of non-consensual sexual contact – ranging from penetration to sexual touching — due to force or incapacitation."

It's presented as an AND, not an OR, which is how it is treated in the data.

And the minute you add that "without prior consent" as an OR, you muddy the waters considerably, because that's not part of the legal standard for any of these crimes, at least in the way it's defined in the methodology (active, ongoing prior consent). If it were truly an AND, as it is being implied, here, then these numbers would be significantly smaller.

192873982 · 2015-09-21T22:28:40+00:00

Assaulted men	Assaulted women	Response Rate	University	Mmin	Mmax	Wmin	Wmax
5%	23%	19%	Total	1%	82%	4%	85%
7%	25%	36%	brown	3%	67%	9%	73%
5%	13%	47%	caltec	2%	55%	6%	59%
6%	20%	30%	case western reserve	2%	72%	6%	76%
4%	23%	26%	columbia	1%	75%	6%	80%
6%	23%	19%	cornell	1%	82%	4%	85%
5%	28%	42%	dartmouth	2%	60%	12%	70%
7%	26%	53%	harvard	4%	51%	14%	61%
3%	19%	16%	iowa state	0%	84%	3%	87%
4%	25%	18%	michigan state	1%	83%	5%	87%
5%	24%	18%	ohio state	1%	83%	4%	86%
5%	22%	13%	purdue	1%	88%	3%	90%
3%	15%	9%	texas	0%	91%	1%	92%
6%	22%	8%	arizona	0%	92%	2%	94%
3%	20%	17%	Florida	1%	84%	3%	86%
7%	30%	18%	michigan	1%	83%	5%	87%
5%	24%	17%	minnesota twin cities	1%	84%	4%	87%
6%	27%	16%	missouri-columbia	1%	85%	4%	88%
7%	24%	18%	north carolina chapel hill	1%	83%	4%	86%
6%	24%	14%	oregon	1%	87%	3%	89%
6%	27%	27%	pennsylvania	2%	75%	7%	80%
6%	21%	19%	pittsburgh	1%	82%	4%	85%
7%	30%	19%	southern california	1%	82%	6%	87%
5%	19%	13%	texas at austin	1%	88%	2%	89%
5%	24%	26%	virginia	1%	75%	6%	80%
5%	28%	22%	wisconsin-madison	1%	79%	6%	84%
8%	23%	23%	wachington university in st. Louis	2%	79%	5%	82%
8%	28%	52%	yale	4%	52%	15%	63%

Wmin, Wmax, Mmin, Mmax are the minimal and maximal sexual assault rate, if all data is complete.

Since there is no seperate response rate for men and women, this might be slightly wrong.

This table mostly shows how important respons rate is.

thrway_1000 · 2015-09-21T20:14:12+00:00

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Claude_Reborn · 2015-09-22T00:00:36+00:00

self reporting survey?

most cases, less that 30% of people responded?

Responses completely subjective/ intentionally vague?

Re enforces the bullshit feminist 1 in 5 narrative?

Into the trash it goes!

DroogDim · 2015-09-22T00:11:49+00:00

From the survey...

“Sexual assault” and “sexual misconduct” refer to a range of behaviors that are nonconsensual or unwanted. These behaviors could include remarks about physical appearance or persistent sexual advances.

[Page. A5-6]

The survey defined sexual assault and misconduct [as including] nonconsensual sexual contact involving two behaviors: sexual penetration and sexual touching. Respondents were asked whether one or more of these contacts occurred as a result of four tactics: (1) physical force or threat of physical force, (2) being incapacitated because of drugs, alcohol or being unconscious, asleep or passed out, (3) coercive threats of non-physical harm or promised rewards, and (4) failure to obtain affirmative consent.

[Executive Summary, pg. V]

pnw_diver · 2015-09-22T00:39:59+00:00

I maintain that the Washington Post has degraded itself, not by publishing this study's conclusions, but by doing so with utter credulity.

The "affirmative consent" standard doesn't exist as a standard yet. "Affirmative consent" goes completely beyond the standards of rape and sexual assault, and the authors of the study dishonestly use terms like "rape" or "sexual assault" as determined by their own standards, not by legal standards.
Lumping forcible penetration in with unwanted compliments is the same thing as lumping murder in with name-calling. This is profoundly dishonest.
Self-reporting in this case definitely skews the results - the respondents would tend to be motivated only if their responses would skew the results. This is a picture perfect example of cooking the books.
The results of this "study" will be used as a lever to try to further degrade and deny the civil rights of men on universities and in general.

In short, this is a dirty, dishonest lie of a study intended to help attack the civil rights of men.

Perhaps the Washington Post can't say that out loud, but they could at least ask simple questions about aspects of the "study" that even the lay public could understand were bogus.

StudioBrule · 2015-09-22T05:06:03+00:00

This was sponsored by the White House., can you spell "politically motivated?" The survey questions compound serious and trivial issues, and it is so convoluted that only a feminist would complete it. We are in serious trouble because extremely powerful people want the Rape Culture narrative front and center. There will be witch hunts and scapegoats for the foreseeable future.

Title	Washington Post: What a massive sexual assault survey found at 27 top U.S. universities
Author	cmumford
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Date	September 21, 2015 7:48 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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