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[–]SirKolbath 65 points66 points67 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
So women are sad little children who never ever have agency or the ability to consider consequences?
Wow, if there was ever an argument in favor of an actual patriarchy, that would certainly be it.
[–]GingerRazz 19 points20 points21 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
It really is amazing to me that feminists claiming to be fighting for equality are so fast to dismiss female agency to blame men. If anything, the place women lack equality to men it is responsibility and admission of agency.
[–]SirKolbath 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It was never about equality.
[–]GingerRazz 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Well... Yeah. I get that. I get it even on first wave which makes me a bit radical even here. I don't think it was ever about equality, but it's their constant framework they claim to espouse, and I want to dismantle that lie.
[–]problem_redditor 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
If you want to dismantle the idea that feminism was ever about equality then point out that even early feminists were highly selective in their demands.
It used to be that paternal custody of children was the default because only the husband would be financially responsible for the upkeep and wellbeing of the child, but women wanted to be able to see their kids after a divorce. So during the late nineteenth century they changed it with the Tender Years Doctrine, and it was presumed that the mother should have custody of the child after divorce. You know what didn't change? The husband was still held financially responsible for the child, even when he lost custody.
And...
It used to be that when a woman got married she was considered a "feme covert". Her legal existence was consolidated into that of the man's and she sacrificed some of her rights to own property and enter into contracts on her own in exchange for the benefits of being a married woman - once they were married, women were entitled to be supported by their husbands to the best of their (the husband's) ability. They could buy necessaries on their husbands' credit as their agent and since it was not under the woman's name, they were immune from liability for the debts they racked up and their husbands would be held accountable for it instead which could land him in gaol. Similarly, women could not be prosecuted for many crimes and their husbands would be prosecuted in their stead. Etc, etc.
So while women used to have to give up some rights in exchange for the benefits and privileges they received when they were married, well, guess how early feminists fixed things? They changed the law so women could own and buy and sell property and be recognised as a legal entity separate from that of their husbands, but they did not have to use that money to support the family like their husbands did. Furthermore, even though they were considered separate legal entities, husbands also still had the sole responsibility of paying taxes on both their and their wives' properties and incomes. This was used by a suffragette called Elizabeth Wilkes to get her husband thrown in jail (she refused to tell her husband how much she earned or to pay her tax herself). And in the US, certain aspects of coverture - those mainly concerned with preventing a wife from unilaterally incurring major financial obligations for which her husband would be liable - survived as late as the 1960s.
When (some) men got the vote before (some) women it was paid for by men by their having to render their services when called on. In contrast, women were exempt from the military draft and from civil conscription, like bucket brigades, the special constabulary and "hue and cry" laws - all of which were responsibilities that men were not exempted from. When feminists campaigned for women to get the vote they did not also campaign for women to get the corresponding obligations whatsoever that men were forced into. Even now, feminists are still campaigning against the equal duty of women to be drafted and serve the country because "women shouldn't be expected to do that".
This doesn't sound like "equality before the law" to me. It sounds like "I want all the rights, without the responsibilities. I want all the benefits, without the obligations".
[–]GingerRazz 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agree fully. I'm just on my day off and feeling lazy, so I'm glad you threw this shit out to save me the effort.
[–]SirKolbath 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I know, man. I was agreeing with you.
[–]GingerRazz 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Totally good. I'm just an autist who spergs out on shit. You just responded and drew me back in, and I sperged more. Didn't actually feel like you were disagreeing with me, but spergs will sperg.
[–]SirKolbath 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We all do it to greater or lesser degree.
[–]odiegh 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It is amazing how often they want...nay (yes I said Nay damnit) deman equality until responsibility or work comes into play. Then suddenly someone else it to blame.
We want women in combat....wait we have to do 3 times the work to be equal as men ...well that's sexiest.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh I Know, women need protection form the evils of men so from now on In order to keep them safe they should only be allowed out of the kitchen with their husband/father/brother. Because they clearly aren't capable of this themselves.
[–]Ashenox 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Tbf half of Modern Feminist ideology supports a Patriarchy. Shit it basically calls for one.
[–]xNOM 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your body your responsibility.
[–]w1g2 20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Men cause 100% of unwanted pregnancies by ejaculating into a woman.
Women cause 100% of unwanted pregnancies by allowing men to ejaculate into them.
[–]KalebMW99 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well rape exists which lowers both those numbers a bit, but I understand the sentiment.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeh duh, because all sex is rape, didn't you guys know that?
[–]Melohdy 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women cause 100% of abortions.
[–]auMatech 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
These blanket statements are entirely self-serving to provide evidence for their argument...
Truth is, Men AND women cause 100% of unwanted pregnancies. If there were no women, there would be no pregnancy, same goes for men.
Reminds me of the similar skewed tactics like "1 in 4 homeless are women", which excludes the logical conclusion that 75% of homeless are men. Or "there were 300 victims, 40 of which were women".
This omission of remaining statistics to suit an agenda is what powers many of feminisms theories
[–]dantedii 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They are basically dehumanizing men
[–]OrionTheWolf 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Is there no such thing as a woman baby trapping a guy? Would that not count as unwanted?
[–]thelabbykenz 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
while it’s 100% true, it’s also not
[–]toseawaybinghamton 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I would like to know what they use to verify this.... lol
[–]BigOrangeWhy[S] 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Heavy screaming and crying
[–]someguy92614 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Shouldn't that read,
Men have to pay child support on 100% of unwanted pregnancies?
[–]jeff_the_nurse 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So I guess we also cause 100% of wanted pregnancies? Why are we not being congratulated?
[–]Zetastein_dein_abi 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Every 60 seconds in africa a minute passes
[–]InformalCriticism 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Consensual sex is always men's fault. /s
[–]Mr_Shad0w 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And someone got paid to write that garbage? I'm in the wrong industry...
[–]Tis4Tru 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hmmm yes the floor is floor here
[–]Greg_W_Allan 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Unwanted according to whom?
[–]LordSant0s 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ah yes the flor here os made of flor
[–]Tailtappin 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So any man can talk any woman into spreading her legs? Is that the claim or is it that all men rape women and cause them to get pregnant?
I mean, I could have sworn that women have at least half of the "blame" when choosing whether or not to fuck but apparently it's all rape or the exploitation of really, really, really stupid women.
[–]iainmf[M] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I removed your post because the title is not descriptive. See rule 15
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Outside of rape the woman decides 100% if there is going to be a pregnancy, the male doesn’t get the final say.
Her body, her decision.
[–]KnightofNarg 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Also her decision to binge drink and risk birthing a child with mental and/or physical disabilities.
[–]tmone 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
what about the body of the human being being aborted? are they not allowed bodily autonomy?
[–]trashy_nurd -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Women allow 100% of pregnancies
[–]KnightofNarg 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I want to give you a moment to rethink this one.
[–]trashy_nurd 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its the same kind of blanket statement
[–]xNOM -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What do you mean? He's right. Keep your legs shut. Problem solved. No men involved.
[–]KnightofNarg -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Have you ever heard of RAPE?
[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
LOL The word literally means nothing anymore.
[–]toohot4me -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Got someone in my class which is super fucking open about her sex life. Well somehow we happend to talk about condoms (in a group) she OPENLY said she dont use them. Im just fucking waiting on the day where i hear she got pregnant.
[–]BigOrangeWhy[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I get what your trynna say but your kinda shaming her for talking about something “normal” But I get your message.
[–]toohot4me 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Im not shaming her i really dont give a damn about her sex life. But it stuns me that people dont think about the consecuenses. Shes 16, (Norway and our consent age is 16 btw) and this could basicly change her entire life and maybe even ruin it, she had/has good grades and has a bright future ahead you know. Would be really stupid to end it all on that.
[–]BigOrangeWhy[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Fair enough
[–]toohot4me 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sorry if i may be wrting agressivly. I should probably not be ranting.
[–]BigOrangeWhy[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You didn’t don’t worry
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