Fertility vs reproductive value?

md8716 · 2020-07-26T16:02:23+00:00

Best way I've seen it written is that the stronger, higher status men tend to want fully developed women at her mental/physical peak which is in her 20s. They instinctively know to avoid weaker women the same way that the runts of the pack get left behind because they can't contribute.

Those girls that are underdeveloped physically and mentally (teenagers, mental instability, etc) tend to be a prime target for sketchy lower status men because they are weaker and more easily controlled. And those types of men absolutely get off on having control.

I mean take a look at the average druggie couple or grown man with a 18/19 yr old and you know what I mean.

LillthOfBabylon · 2020-07-26T14:06:35+00:00

I've also read some studies by Kenrick and Keefe who argues that men's prefered ages change as he gets older

This is the most accurate answer. While everyone finds young people to be most physically appealing, there is also the factor of competency. When you're 50, unless you're a very well off sugar daddy, dealing with a dumb 20 would be unbearable, not matter how nice her tits her.

Honestly, I don't like these types of topics because incels take them too seriously and cant see the forest for the tree.

lilastr · 2020-07-26T14:48:37+00:00

This is sooo interesting.

Everybody in the world so obsessed with female fertility. So crazy to me.

Workaholiconew · 2020-07-26T15:45:41+00:00

Ehh... it is just a fact that most men find women most attractive in the US for women in the ages of 24. (Give or take 2 years)

Men only prefer younger (15-18) in places where beauty is lost quickly because of harsher lives, like here in Brazil, where 17 year olds may see their value decrease as they age by a life of poverty and a harsh tropical sun.

And if dating apps are anything by, mens preferences only change with age in the top side of "the window" after their 20s. I.e. a 22 years old will want women between 20 and 25. While a 55 years old will want a woman between the ages of 20 and 60.

I think you got your answer, the 23-27 guys are probably the most correct. But I doubt it. I suppose evolution just made us look for some standard things in women bodies/behavior, not exactly fertility. As even if I know a woman cannot give me descendants, I will be attracted to her body.

Rahim556 · 2020-07-26T15:56:43+00:00

I would agree that a girl in her late teens would be an ideal mate for a man. From a biological standpoint, while a 16 year old may have more risk of complications or whatever, assuming all goes well and there are no issues, a teenage girl would provide a man with the most child bearing years... When you think about it, it's no small difference either. Take a 26 year old woman to compare (I chose 26 because it's a normal age to settle down)... The 16 year old will provide the man with a whole 10 additional years of fertility... This is merely discussing it from the biological standpoint. From a social and sexual standpoint, he gets an additional decade to enjoy her youth (sexually) and a younger girl is more likely to be agreeable, pleasant, submissive, etc.... All qualities that would make for an excellent female mate.

Edit to add: Oh and also I forgot, a girl at that age (teens) is also likely to not be fat. Being "not fat" is a very important quality that men want and love in women. A woman who is "not fat" (doesn't even have to be "in shape," just simply "not fat") has already won't half the battle.... Whatever that battle is.... In LIFE IN GENERAL.

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Dora_Bowl · 2020-07-26T14:07:09+00:00

Are there any academics pushing this right now?

wtknight · 2020-07-26T14:35:54+00:00

I don't see any evidence that older men want long-term relationships with teenage girls. The older men who are into teenagers seems to be more like some kind of twisted power thing than due to some kind of evolutionary interest. I think that most mature men of whatever age prefer women in their early 20's sexually.

In a modern western long-term relationship paradigm, where men and women interact for long periods of time and run a household together, it's probably better for older men to actually date women closer to their age, though, because of the equal mental maturity of the man and woman at older ages. Most guys in their 40s aren't going to want to go out clubbing with a woman in her early 20s even if these men find those women the most sexually attractive.

Grave_Heresy · 2020-07-27T03:28:04+00:00

So men tend to be interested in women substantially younger than they are. This has been a fairly common finding. However social forces do very much shape attraction. In general, it's not socially acceptable for a 40 year old male to be interested in a 17 year old female. Obviously, preferences mature. However, the desire for younger females doesn't go away. What happens is the preference for an older female also emerges.

This makes sense considering that there is an expectation that a man go for a woman closer to his age.

My guess is that the preference for the younger females is evolutionary whereas the preference for the older female is cultural.

2020-07-27T09:18:26+00:00

'Peak' time is not just about getting pregnant, it's about also giving birth and rearing the children.

Seeing as under 19 year olds are at a higher risk of dying in child birth, the peak time is actually 19 - early 20s.

Also, AFAIK early women used to develop at a slower pace and have their periods a lot later than they do now. So lots of 15yos would not even have started puberty.

Title	Fertility vs reproductive value?
Author	RichUnderstanding1
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Date	July 26, 2020 1:56 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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